Sub Batch Implementation

[Former Member]

Dear All,

Can anybody plz tell me how to implement sub batches concept in PP-PI,

we are process industry our some of the beginnig activites are done on complete Batch and then remaining are done sub batch wise, we donot want these sub batches to give new batch nos ... and we need tracking and monitoring at sub batch level....

any kind of help will be appreciated a lot

regards

Zeeshan

[Former Member · Accepted solution]

It seems no body from PP-PI is part of this forum..

at least give some beginning point...

[former_member42744 · Accepted solution]

SAP does not have a 'sub-batches' concept.

If you can describe the business process a bit, maybe we can help. But we need more info.

Craig

[Former Member · Accepted solution]

Dear Craig,

thanks 4 ur reply...

our business is as follows:

we prepare solution in bulk

fill in bottles

sterlize bottles partially... sterlization machine have limited capacity less than no of bottles filled always..

then based on these sub quantites packaging is done

then products are transfered to warehouse on pallets

WE NEED TO KEEP TRACK OF THESE SUB QUANTITIES RESOUCE UTILIZATION FOR ACTIVITIES CARRIED ON THESE SUB QUANTITIES SEPERATELY... AND ALSO KEEP TRACK WHAT QUATITY EACH PALLET HAVE ALONG WITH BATCH NO, SUB BATCH NO AND PALLET NO....

PLZ REVERT IF NEED FURTHER EXPLANATION..

THANKS A LOT

ZEESHAN

[dhaval_choksi3 · Accepted solution]

HY Zeeshan,

I think you are belongs to Pharma Industry,

I am also belongs the same industry and also the same process which you have describe,

Now come to your problem,

Your requirement t is fulfill with inpection type 04.you can generate number of inspection lot of 04 type with reference to Goods Receipt for one process/production order. And you can track each steriliaz lot through this exclusive 04 type Inspection lots.

Regards,

Dhaval

[Former Member · Accepted solution]

thanks Dhaval ,

it solves one problem by creating Inspection lots for each batch, but how to track the units per Pallets , do i have to do GR for each pallet seperatly or there is way that i can do ONE GR for ONE inspection lot and there i mention each pallet quantity, (do i have to go for Z prog for GR ) or there is some work around..

regards

[dhaval_choksi3 · Accepted solution]

Hy Zeeshan,

My first sugetion help you to solve your problem up to some extent which is mattter of pleasure for me.

As per my understanding your process is like

1 Batch containes more than 1 sub batches and 1 sub batches containes more than 1 pallets, correct or not?

To track numer of pallets per batches you can go with alternate unit of measure in material master like,

1 plt = 5000 Nos

You can also go with your own devlopment for such kind of tracking, but I have experince that many experts doesn't favour the Devlopment Except Business process doen't meet with the std. SAP.

Your question is quite intresting for me also, and any inputs from our other expert gets learning tips for me also.

Best of Luck,

Regards,

Dhaval

Edited by: Dhaval on Jun 24, 2008 6:26 PM

[former_member42744 · Accepted solution]

The big problem is that SAP does not support palletizing very well that I have seen.

I might suggest trying the following.

The problem is your doing a one-to-many, (batch to sterilization) and then a many-to-one, (sterlization runs to pallet). Your sterilization runs are the most basic building block of this process and so I think these must be represented by the standard SAP batch number. I see two options.

1) Create a single process order for the bulk solution and inspect this via an 03 inpsection lot.

Then do individual GR's, against the order, each with different batch numbers for each sterilization run.

Then use a handling unit to pack the sterilization batches to a pallet.

2) Another option is to create a single process order for the bulk solution, and receive it and inspect it via the 04 inspection lot.

Then create a second process order where the bulk is the raw material. Again, receive each sterilization run as a new batch number.

Use handling units to pack the various sterilization batches to a pallet.

I don't have a lot of experience with handling units so you'll have to experiment with that on your own.

Craig

[Former Member · Accepted solution]

dear Dhaval

we would have gone for alternate UOM but you know the no of units per pallet are not fix, always the last pallet will be incomplete,,,,, and even some times palles are overfilled...

plz suggest....

really thanking u

regards

Zeeeshan

[Former Member · Accepted solution]

dear craig,

actually we cannot assign different batch no for each sterlization run , these belongs to batch having same shelf life. its some thing from GMP....

thanks for ur value able input...

[former_member42744 · Accepted solution]

Well, actually, I would argue that under GMP you would have to assign a new batch number to each sterilization run. Your taking a portion of the material and processing it separately from the other portions. If one sterilization run fails would you batch restrict all the material? Or just the material from that sterilization run? If its just from that run, then you are defining that as a batch.

I would think that the shelf life would be calculated from the date of sterlization anyway. What if it took you two days to complete all of the sterilization runs? Or it ran over past midnight? Even so, there is no reason the sterilization batches can not have the same expiration date. They would all be produced via the same process order so it shouldn't be an issue.

If you use two process orders, one to create the bulk solution, and a second to create the sterilization runs, you would have full traceability under GMP and FDA requirements if your updating your batch-where used list.

My background is in Pharma BTW. Your process is not much different then making active ingredigent powder, (bulk), making tablets, (sterilization), and then packing the pills to bottles and boxes, (palletizing). If you review the SAP pharma solution, this exact process is mapped out and built in their IDES system and is used for training. In their demo, the expiration date is carried from the bulk active ingredient all the way through to the finished packed bottle automatically.

The only thing I'm suggesting differently is to use the handling units to pack your pallets.

Craig

[dhaval_choksi3 · Accepted solution]

Hy Zeeshan,

Good Morning,

I think Mr. Craig has provide a good sugetion by spliting your orders in diiferent process steps.I think there is some hope by using Handling Unit.I don't know anything about HU's ,but after reading Craig's reply I just started work around the use of this HU's.As soon as I got any clue I will share it to you.

Best Of Luck,

Dhaval

[former_member42744 · Accepted solution]

Dhaval,

I would be interested in finding out what you learn about using the HU's. I haven't had a chance to actually implement and use them but from researching them it might be a possibilty in this situation.

Thanks!!!!

Craig

[dhaval_choksi3 · Accepted solution]

Hy Craig,

Actually HU's is totaly new concept for me also.Yestrday I had just overlook the node of Handling unit and it seems to be quite helpful in such conditions. I will definitely share as soon as I get clear understanidng about this subject.

Thanks , Have a Nice day

Dhaval

[Former Member]

Thanks a lot Craig and Dhaval

these were really good suggestions....

i will dig on these more...

zeeshan

[Former Member]

Hi

Batch management can be implemented in PP-PI. Subject to basis settings i.e at what level you want batch management should be active you can use in PP-PI

Make sure what the requirements are from business poin t of view.

Please let us know if you need any mpore info

Thanks