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I'm part of the team working on the Observability feature for SAP BTP, Kyma Runtime, and in my previous blog post: From Observability to Telemetry – a strategy shift in SAP BTP, Kyma Runtime, I talked a bit about the general shift we are planning to do in the Kyma runtime in regards to Observability. As a first but important step, we are going to deprecate the logging functionality based on Loki, that is, the capability to query application logs for up to 5 days using the integrated Grafana view. In this blog post, I'm going to give you more details why we made that decision, and present the alternatives.


SAP BTP, Kyma Runtime shifted the focus towards providing enterprise-grade components as building blocks that you can use to connect your productive workloads with the SAP ecosystem. Our classic in-cluster Logging component does not qualify for enterprise-grade criteria because it does not scale with your application log load. Furthermore, you cannot configure it in any way, like for data retention times. Lastly, running a logging backend in-cluster (in the same cluster where your workload is running) has several flaws:

  • Ecosystem: It does not support a multi-environment scenario, where you want to store and analyze logs from multiple environments in one solution.

  • Security: Your historic application logs are exposed to a potential attacker of the cluster, and with that, cannot be used for forensic analysis.

  • Operations: If the cluster is not accessible for any reason, you also cannot access the historical application logs for troubleshooting.

Another factor that influenced our decision is that Grafana Labs changed the licensing for Loki and Grafana to AGPLv3. This made us rethink the observability capabilities of the Kyma runtime overall, reinforcing our strategy shift towards integration into existing observability systems over managing such systems in-cluster. For the same reason, we accelerated the execution of the strategy, and with that, the deprecation of the Loki-based Logging component.

Overall, we no longer believe that a managed in-cluster solution meets the typical requirements for productive workloads; so we won't invest further into that. Instead, the Kyma runtime is going to support you with the integration into central systems, ideally also providing solutions that are part of the SAP BTP offering.


For now, nothing changes as it is a deprecation only. However, in half a year or later:

  • You will lose the ability to browse your application logs for up to 5 days in the integrated Grafana explore view.

Still, the following options will not be affected:

  • You can continue to retrieve logs for currently running workloads using the Kubernetes-native `kubectl logs` command.

  • You can continue to view current container logs in the dashboard of the Kyma runtime.

  • Also, you can continue to bring your custom solution for collection and long-term storage of application logs within or outside the cluster.


Furthermore, to unburden you from the details of how to reliably fetch and ship all relevant logs for your application to a managed logging backend, we introduced a first version of a new Kubernetes API extension: the LogPipeline API. With this API, you can select the application logs you are interested in by namespaces and containers, and define an output based on a plain HTTP/JSON integration. If you want to find out more, hop over to the product documentation for the Telemetry component.

A remark: After you read my previous: From Observability to Telemetry – a strategy shift in SAP BTP, Kyma Runtime, you might wonder why the Kyma runtime uses a protocol that's very specific to the Fluent Bit ecosystem and not as vendor-neutral as expected. The reason is that in the OpenTelemetry ecosystem, the parts related to logs are just about to become stable and adopted (while for the other data types, they are already stable). Because the Fluent Bit ecosystem is very mature and widely adopted, we decided to go with that in a first version but will evolve it to support the OTLP specification later.

Integration Options

With the new API, you get the following integration options:

  1. The LogPipeline API enables the integration into systems that natively support HTTP/JSON as input. Typically, such systems use Fluentd as ingestor.

  2. If direct integration is not possible, you can run Fluntd in your custom namespace and leverage the full ecosystem of output plugins to connect with nearly any vendor available.

  3. If your scenario is more advanced, or you anyway want to run your own log collector, you still can do that as well.

If you prefer the classic in-cluster Loki solution, read Installing a custom Loki stack.


With an upcoming release of SAP BTP, Kyma runtime, the feature for retrieving application logs based on Loki will be marked as deprecated. About six months or later, the feature will be removed. We'll announce the deprecation and removal in the release notes.

So, if you have no external logging system integrated yet, you might want to start evaluating that option or follow the provided instructions on installing Loki on your own.

Stay tuned for upcoming SAP BTP Kyma Runtime blog posts and follow the related topic page.