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This was a repeat of a very popular ASUG Annual Conference session.  Thanks to juergen.butsmann for presenting and ingo.hilgefort who set this up as our ASUG/SAP point of contact.


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August 14 BI: SAP Data Warehouse Cloud Overview and Road Map

August 27 BI: SAP Analytics Cloud – Preparing your data

September 3 BI: Discover SAP BusinessObjects BI4.3

September 4 BI: SAP BW/4HANA Overview and Roadmap

September 5 BI: SAP Analytics Cloud - Data Connectivity, including Road Map

September 10 BI: SAP Analytics Cloud for SAP BusinessObjects Enterprise customers - Roadmap Update

September 11 - BI: SAP BW/4HANA Conversion

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What want to achieve

Make the right decision

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Big agenda

Landscape, not avoid intelligent enterprise

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S/4HANA, the core of everything, with integration

What makes intelligent? Capabilities, machine learning, data management

Connect operational data with experience data

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What do to enhance capabilities, lower TCO, unique capabilities

Extract values of S/4HANA, view operational reports, hand it to an EDW or BI layer to bring together

Predefined content, structures, BW/4HANA to consolidate, harmonized platform, comprehensive view of enterprise


"Reduce your Data Warehouse TCO with the S/4HANA and BW/4HANA combination"

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Embedding analytics in every single process where appropriate in S/4HANA

Operational reporting as well as visualization, take advantage of S/4HANA

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Avoid aggregation without duplicating data, go to the source of the data

Intuitive user experience, simplification of user experience

Embed analytics in processes, transactions

Intelligent ERP - next level - machine learning, simulation, RPA, etc.

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One finance table, do not need to collect the data from multiple tables, from the top vie

KPI's - in a process, see relevant KPI's to see if need to act

Integrated technologies

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Rely on data in HANA database, on top, have virtual data models, core data services, code in application server, translated to native SQL

Interpretation takes place inside of system

Exchange data using OData or transient analytic queries

ABAP Core Data Services can be used to extract values to BW/4HANA

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Key users for Fiori tools

End users at the top (in Fiori)


Do you still need an additional visualization tool? An EDW? Why SAP Analytics Cloud? Why SAP BW/4HANA?

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A gap between what customers are used to working with and what they have

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Contextual exchange with S/4HANA, augmented services for AI, smart creation of reports, intelligence in process of creating reports

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Value proposition of additional system

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Enrich data from other areas (Digital Boardroom)

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S/4HANA is not an EDW

BW/4HANA is an enterprise data warehouse

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Complete picture

Collect data in Data Hub, facilitating exchange of data

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Guiding principles of BW/4HANA

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High level architecture

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Live access via reverse proxy

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Integration with SAP Analytics Cloud story

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Inside of Fiori, drill down

Labs preview - fully integrated, launch report elements of SAC with contextual linkage

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Rough guidance



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SAC allows cross system view of the data

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SAP Data Warehouse Cloud is the cloud offering, not the success of BW/4HANA

Statement of direction for Data Warehouse

Replay link is here


  • The context: The intelligent ERP, the digital core SAPS/4HANA and the analytical setup - 7:30

  • What is embedded analytics in SAP S/4HANA? - 12:00

  • Do you still need an additional visualization tool? An EDW? Why SAP Analytics Cloud? Why SAP BW/4HANA? - 29:30

  • How do the solutions integrate? - 38:30

  • What to consider on your route to Analytics with SAP S/4HANA? - 46:00

  • Q+A - 55:00

Question & Answer

Question Response
According to your experience, who should be owning development of embedded analytics, BI development experience teams or ERP development teams?. Thanks It depends on the tool used; some are owned by the business while others (Core Data Services) would be owned by IT.
this is clear CDS is IT owned but there are IT development centers with diffierent focus of expertice, ERP (Abap) development teams and BI (BW, SAC, IP, etc.), who should be in charge of Analytical CDS creation in such case?, Thansk and BR CDS creation is owned by developers
What learnings/certifications can we take to give us a holistic understanding and the applications for SAP S/4HANA? Please check the SAP Learning Journeys for S/4HANA at https://help.sap.com/doc/221f8f84afef43d29ad37ef2af0c4adf/HP_2.0/en-US/0d7dd0dc8f464586a187b9b6c27c6... - includes certifications, etc.
if we have S/4HANA embedded analytics and if we are able to do analytical reporting on top of data in S/4HANA, do we need a separate SAP BW/BI system for Analytics? Depends on your requirements - you may need BW to combine holistic data. I encourage you to check out the upcoming data warehouse webinars at https://discuss.asug.com/docs/DOC-40413
Is there a demo/test environment we can use to learn more about the capabilities of SAP 4/SHANA? (Can combine with my previous question) Free trial for the cloud is at https://www.sap.com/products/s4hana-erp.html - on premise go to cal.sap.com
Can you put in the demo URL again? It's not in the slides attached with this webinar https://www.sap.com/cmp/oth/crm-s4hana/s4hana-cloud-erp-trial.html
Thanks! Can you also put in the logon details? If you register for the S/4HANA trial, you get your own credentials sent to you...
Is BW4 Hana needed if I use SAP Analytics Cloud? Yes, this is possible
Is there a webinar or resources related to best migration approach for moving from ECC to S/4HANA or BW to BWonHANA/BW4HANA ? We have a webinar coming up on moving to BW/4HANA https://discuss.asug.com/docs/DOC-40413 - for best migration approach, SAP Support has webinars.
But is BW4hana necessary or is Analytics Cloud enough to cover all problems? it depends on your business requirements and your EDW business requirements
looking at slide 12 - is the BW/4HANA mandatory for a proper use of SAP Analytics Cloud ? no - SAC works with multiple data sources - see the road map at https://www.sap.com/products/roadmaps/finder-all.html#pdf-asset=e4339922-c37c-0010-82c7-eda71af511fa...
can we use sap fiori on top of bw4? that is a question to ask the BW product management team at one of the upcoming webinars https://discuss.asug.com/docs/DOC-40413
is there any plan for SAP to deliver ABAP CDS views based Datasources Business Content for S4H on premise? There are predefined virtual models already available - please see https://blogs.sap.com/2018/12/05/how-to-find-a-predefined-virtual-data-model-in-s4hana/
how do I find those queries ? see https://blogs.sap.com/2018/12/05/how-to-find-a-predefined-virtual-data-model-in-s4hana/ - you can try transaction RSRT
Can we run S4 Hana with SAP BW 7.5 ? Yes - see https://blogs.sap.com/2017/01/26/s4-hana-bw-7.5-integration-with-sda-as-data-provisioning/
Is there a plan to have SAC embedded into S/4HANA on premise and not just in S/4HANA Cloud? developing elements on how build, make linkage, easy - right now cloud only...have components should be available for on-premise -
hi, all! how a I make a SABA CDS View visbl for AP Analytics Cloud? standard interface
Are there any scenarios where you recommend to use HANA Calculation Views for operational reporting in S4HANA system? early question; not able to run same auth concept - some calculations may be enhanced in calc views

Questions answered by Juergen after the webcast:

Q: What are the performance limitations of SAC while reading live data from S/4HANA ?

I am not aware of such parameters (would hope my colleagues from SAC could answer here). Also they are very much dependent of the technical architecture / setup of the system landscape…

Q: Are the BW logistic cockpit extractors already replaced with CDS views for use with BW/4HANA?

Not yet fully, this is on the compatibility list and still in process.

Q: What is the positioning of SAP Analytics Hub vs. Fiori Launchpad in relation to S4HANA Embedded Analytics?

Both can be used for reports on SAP S/4HANA Data. But SAP Fiori Launchpad is the standard front end for all SAP S/4HANA (and therefore the natural FE for all integrated apps as well) and the SAP Analytics Hub is the central interface for all analytics related Apps (independent of the data source).

Q: can we use ABAP CDS Views for ERP on HANA(SAP NWVersion 7.50)?

Technically yes but there is no content.

Q: "Is there a specific embedded analytics content for SAC?   And for what version of S4HANA is it available?"

All versions, it is part of SAP Avtivate (https://rapid.sap.com/bp/BP_S4H_ANA )

Q: We are using Native HANA on current ECC landscape. How is it going to impact us in terms of current SAC and Modeling when we move to S/4 HANA Migration project.
You probably have to redo a lot of the data models and then adapt all of the reports accordingly. This is due to the many data model changes we have done in SAP S/4HANA. The other thing is, what is it you would rather do inside SAP S/4HANA rather than with a separate report if you can? Would the reports look the same given the data changes and modeling capabilities (and performance implications)?
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