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FrankKrauseGUI
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Update: Support for SAP GUI for Windows 7.70 ended on 9th of April 2024!

Hello Community,

as mentioned in SAP Note 147519, the shipment date for SAP GUI for Windows 7.70 is the 29th of January 2021. So, we are only 2 days away from the delivery!

With this Blog I would like to provide some general information on the lifecycle of this release as well as information on the new features coming with 7.70. Since the new features contained in 7.70 are quite complex compared to previous releases, I also mention additional prerequisites and potential consequences of each feature.

Our focus areas were:

    • New Fiori 3 theme family ("Quartz") - for a harmonized look with other SAP UI frameworks, but you will see that Quartz is not just some new colors.

 

    • Edge (based on Chromium) as alternative browser control for use in the SAP GUI HTML Control - for becoming independent of the Internet Explorer Control

 

    • 64bit versions of NWRFC controls - for being able to use those controls also from 64bit processes like Microsoft Excel 64bit

 

    • Multi-Monitor-Scaling support - for correct display of SAP GUI in environments with multiple monitors using different scaling settings



All of these areas have been eagerly expected by several customers and required huge effort on SAP GUI side. However, in addition to these topics we could also work on a couple of other smaller topics that are explained below.

SAP GUI Lifecycle

 

SAP GUI for Windows 7.70 was created with Microsoft Visual Studio 2019 which is in mainstream support by Microsoft until 9th of April 2024 (see also https://docs.microsoft.com/de-de/lifecycle/products/visual-studio-2019).



Therefore, SAP GUI for Windows 7.70 is supported until 9th of April 2024.

The chart below shows the current dates (on 27th of January 2019) for the lifecycle of SAP GUI for Windows releases 7.50 (already out of support) up to 7.70. For the latest information always refer to SAP Note 147519.

 

SAP GUI Lifecycle


As you can see in the image above, there is an overlap of support durations for releases 7.60 and 7.70 of about 14 months. During this timeframe patches for both releases will be supplied normally.

New Features in Release 7.70



    • New visual theme family "Quartz"

 

The successor to the Belize theme is the Quartz (Fiori 3.0) theme. For the first time we also offer a dark version of the theme that can be used by users who prefer a dark background.
There are four Quartz Themes (see also image above):

 

    • Quartz ("Light")

 

    • Quartz High Contrast White

 

    • Quartz High Contrast Black

 

    • Quartz Dark

 

When you install SAP GUI for Windows 7.70, Quartz is the default theme and SAP GUI will choose either the light or the dark version depending on your Windows settings. Of course, we do not override a previous setting - you can continue using SAP GUI with the theme of your choice. We also did not remove any old themes in release 7.70.

 

Some of the highlights of the Quartz Themes:




      • Fiori features (for SAP S/4HANA systems) are supported just like in Belize

 

      • All features of Belize themes including theme specific coloring are supported

 

      • New states like a hover on selected state for several UI elements are introduced

 

      • Improved contrast for many aspects of the UI (including also for selected items)

 

      • A new monospaced font ("72 monospace") is used which suits the proportional font ("72") much better (also for Belize themes)

 

      • The main menu is back by default (also for Belize themes)

 

      • The new ABAP Editor can also use theme specific colors (if a new option is activated)



The feedback we have received so far on the Quartz Themes (also from the Beta program that we ran) is much better than the feedback related to Belize. However, one should keep in mind these SAP Notes when using Quartz Dark:




      • SAP Note 2930005: Some ABAP applications use the SAP GUI background colors, but not the SAP GUI font colors for content in HTML controls. In such cases, the application will display dark text on dark background. To solve this, corrections in the respective application are needed.

 

      • SAP Note 2981918: SAP GUI for Windows is re-using several UI elements provided by Windows. Some of these elements do not allow changing their background color - they simply expect that the background is bright (except when High Contrast themes are used in Windows). It proved very difficult to overwrite all these elements and until today some very minor issues are remaining which are listed in this SAP Note.





    • Edge (WebView2 Control) as alternative browser control

 

So far the SAP GUI HTML Control always uses the Microsoft Internet Explorer Control for hosting HTML content inside SAP GUI, but nowadays Internet Explorer has several disadvantages:



      • Modern web content may not work

 

      • Performance issues

 

      • Many users have moved to other browsers and want to use them also when working with SAP GUI

 

      • Some web-based SAP UI frameworks intend to stop support for Internet Explorer

 

      • There is a lot of confusion regarding the support lifecycle of Internet Explorer (even though Microsoft has not announced the end of life, yet)



For all these reasons as of release 7.70 we have integrated the Microsoft WebView2 control (Edge based on Chromium) as an alternative to the Internet Explorer Control (see SAP Note 2913405 for more information). In order to allow a smooth patching and update process we have decided not to deploy the component ourselves - therefore, WebView2 is not contained in the SAP GUI installation. To use the new version of the HTML Control, you need to install the Microsoft WebView2 control (https://developer.microsoft.com/en-US/microsoft-edge/webview2/#download-section) separately. Updates to the component are then received via the regular Microsoft channels.

 

Since the HTML Control based on WebView2 is very new and presently has some functional restrictions (see below), we decided to keep the Internet Explorer Control as the default browser control in SAP GUI for Windows for now. However, once installed, you can select "Edge (based on Chromium)" via a setting in SAP GUI options dialog:

 

 

SAP GUI Options Dialog Setting for WebView2

 

Once the setting is activated, the HTML Control will use the WebView2 Control and therefore offer a modern browsing experience with all the advantages of a current browser:

 

 

SAP GUI HTML Control using WebView2

 

The HTML Control based on Edge behaves like the HTML Control based on Internet Explorer with some technical differences:




      • Web content which is not compatible with Microsoft Edge / Google Chrome is obviously not compatible with the new HTML Control. If you are using this kind of content, you should migrate this to new HTML standards. See also SAP Note 2901278.

 

      • The WebView2 control does not take the default font settings for web pages which do not set a font from the Microsoft Edge browser (as opposed to the Internet Explorer control). Therefore, by default, the SAP GUI HTML Control based on WebView2 uses the proportional font set in the SAP GUI options dialog in this case. See SAP Note 2942740 for more information.

 

      • Furthermore, there are some differences between Microsoft Edge and Microsoft Internet Explorer which are intended by Microsoft. For example, when SAP GUI detaches a URL from an HTML Control inside SAP GUI, an external browser window opens. In case of Internet Explorer, this window offers a full navigation bar, but Edge does not offer a navigation bar.

 

To allow a "mixed-mode" while applications still using old HTML content migrate to something new, we have introduced the feature explained in SAP Note 2957665: The administrator can define a fallback to Internet Explorer for certain systems / transactions when WebView2 is configured to be the default browser control.





    • 64bit versions of NWRFC controls
      The SAP GUI shipment includes four controls which can be used for getting data from an SAP System without using SAP GUI:

        • Logon Control

        • Function Control

        • BAPI Control

        • Table Factory Control


 

Up to release 7.60 these controls are only available as 32bit versions. Especially with the stronger usage of Microsoft Office 64bit editions this has become a challenge, because 32bit controls cannot be easily invoked from a 64bit process.

 

As of release 7.70 we offer 64bit versions (both non-Unicode as well as Unicode) of these controls which can be installed in parallel to the 32bit versions. With this, scripts using these controls can also be run from 64bit processes like Microsoft Office 64bit. To benefit from this, select the appropriate installation component to be part of your installation package. See also SAP Note 2724656.

 

 

SAP GUI Installation showing the component for getting the 64bit RFC controls




    • Multi-Monitor-Scaling support

 

Up to release 7.60 SAP GUI supports scaling using the scaling settings of the primary monitor only. For other monitors we let the operating system scale the SAP GUI window. This has some drawbacks for example when SAP GUI is embedded in an application which is multi-monitor scaling aware. In case of SAP Business Client this just leads to a blurry display of SAP GUI, but when embedded in Microsoft Internet Explorer the dimensions of SAP GUI inside Internet Explorer are determined incorrectly. See SAP Note 2541592 for more information.

 

As of release 7.70 multi-monitor scaling can be activated in the SAP GUI options dialog so that the issues with multiple monitor setups using different scaling settings are solved. The feature can be activated for Belize and Quartz themes if a sufficiently new Windows version is used via this setting:

 

 

SAP GUI Setting for activating Multi Monitor Scaling

 

Multi Monitor Scaling is an extremely complex topic that required a multitude of changes in SAP GUI and that will certainly require further changes - the topic may also require adjustments in external ActiveX components that you embed in SAP GUI. SAP Note 2985351 contains further information on this topic.

 

Another frequent issue in the context of using SAP GUI on devices with high resolutions is an incorrect size of cells in splitter containers. This typically leads to buttons not being completely displayed (cut off). The root cause of these issues is explained in SAP Note 2767962 - the affected ABAP applications are typically defining the height (or width) of the cells in the splitter container without taking the scaling into account.




    • Overflow for buttons in the footer of dialog boxes (popups)

 

The maximum width of a dialog box (popup) is limited by the horizontal resolution of the display. When an application inserts many buttons or wide buttons in the application toolbar (footer) of a dialog box or the resolution is low or the used font size is big, this sometimes exceeds the maximum width. In SAP GUI releases up to release 7.60, such buttons could not be displayed.

Therefore, as of SAP GUI for Windows 7.70 and starting with Belize themes, SAP GUI puts all buttons which do not fit into the dialog box into an overflow button. If needed, the footer of the dialog box displays a button "..." that offers a context menu containing all buttons for which not enough space was available. This ensures that all applications, even those with many wide buttons, can be properly used.

 

 

Overflow for buttons in dialog boxes




    • Customizable focus position in ALV Grid control

 

The ALV Grid control may consist out of a toolbar area, title area, column header and table area. If you move the focus to the ALV Grid control via keyboard, in SAP GUI for Windows the focus by default is set to the table area. This is since in many cases the user first wants to do something in the table area (like selecting a column) before using the buttons in the toolbar area (like for sorting the selected column). However, in case a different behavior is desired, this can now be achieved by setting a newly introduced registry value. You can decide whether the focus shall first move to the table area (default), to the toolbar area (value = 1) or column header (value = 2).
See SAP Note 2973107 for more information.




    • Different background colors for hierarchical levels in tree control

 

In SAP Signature Theme the tree control shows different background colors for the first four hierarchical levels. In newer themes this functionality was removed by design, because it reduces contrast of text to background and the idea of the newer SAP GUI themes was having a display with fewer visual hierarchies. However, the different colors for tree levels are considered helpful by some users, because one can more easily understand on which level an item / node in the tree is located.

 

Therefore, as of SAP GUI for Windows 7.70, we have introduced different background colors to differentiate tree control hierarchical levels also in newer SAP GUI themes starting with Blue Crystal theme (which excludes the Corbu theme). This functionality is inactive by default and can be activated as explained in SAP Note 2943146. For SAP Signature Theme the functionality remains active by default and cannot be deactivated. Please note that in High Contrast themes this functionality is not supported, because the contrast wouldn't be enough to meet the minimum contrast requirements.

 

 

Tree Level Colors in Quartz, Quartz Dark, Belize and Blue Crystal Themes




    • Improved version of SAP GUI Scripting “Record and Playback” dialog

 

SAP GUI scripting offers a dialog for recording and replaying scripts. This dialog had several functional and usability issues. Therefore, it has been reworked in release 7.70 and the following changes were applied:



      • The dialog is substantially larger, because it has been restructured with sections specific to recording and replaying. The "More / Less" button available in previous releases is no longer available.

 

      • The dialog is no longer topmost by default. If desired, the dialog can be made topmost again by setting a registry value

 

      • The dialog remembers the previous position at which it was closed. Therefore, you can move the dialog to a convenient position (or even a secondary monitor) while recording.

 

      • The dialog offers a new button for editing the recorded script in a text editor associated with the respective file extension.

 

      • When replaying a script, the dialog no longer asks for a file to be replayed, but uses the file specified in the respective input field. The name of the file recorded last is automatically taken over into the input field after completing the recording.

 

      • The usability has been improved (tabchain, focus, scaling,...)

 

      • The dialog can be launched or brought to the front if it was already started before by clicking the scripting indicator in the system information area in the SAP GUI main window or the SAP Business Client main window. This function can only be used if scripting is installed and permitted in the system you are connected to.





    • SAP Business Client Integration: User timeout

 

SAP GUI for Windows and SAP Business Client now exchange information on whether a user is still active to avoid timeouts when the user is still active in another window / tab.




    • Placeholder characters in password fields

 

A new option "Show placeholder characters" is introduced. If this option is deselected, SAP GUI does not fill password fields with placeholder characters. Instead the placeholder characters (dots or asterisk) appear as you type. This reflects the behavior of several other applications, but has the disadvantage that it is more obvious how many characters have been typed. The default setting remains unchanged, which means by default, SAP GUI keeps displaying the placeholder characters for empty password fields.



Removed features in SAP GUI for Windows 7.70


This time we haven't removed any visual theme, but have just cleaned-up the theme selection and removed a rarely used legacy component that has a functional alternative:

    • The Belize theme offered a so-called “Fallback” theme in SAP GUI for Windows 7.50 and 7.60. This “Fallback” was used for SAP systems which do not support the Fiori feature set. As of SAP GUI for Windows 7.70 no “Fallback” theme is offered anymore. The theme set in the SAP GUI options dialog (or via other means like the SAP Business Client) is used for all systems a user connects to.

 

    • The Assignment Control used in transaction UCWB is no longer available. A technical alternative is available as mentioned in SAP Note 2704440.




Outlook


We hope that release 7.70 will live up to your and our expectations - especially since it adds very important and long-expected new features. Our experiences from the Beta Program and our SAP internal roll-out are very encouraging, but of course some of the major new features listed above will certainly need our attention during the next couple of patches. We will completely focus on closing remaining gaps and fixing issues you might find for the next months.

Kind regards,
Frank Krause
Product Owner SAP GUI for Windows
on behalf of the SAP GUI for Windows Team

164 Comments
fabianlupa
Contributor
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Thanks for the detailed description. Looking forward to the release!
Sriram2009
Active Contributor
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Hi Frank.

Nice one with detailed information

Regards

SS
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Looks great!

 

Regarding themes and not replacing previous settings made by a user.

Is there any way to force SAP Quartz to all users/installations as default?

I.e to clean all previous settings and make a "fresh start" with the new GUI for all users. As I understand, this is not possible with "general parameters during installation".

It looks so much better now and the connection to dark/light in windows is great. But many users have chosen an "old theme" a long time ago.

What happens if we remove all other themes as selectable? If a user had an old theme selected - will it now be Quartz? I believe there are parameters to set this.
FrankKrauseGUI
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Hello Per,

thank you for the feedback.
I.e to clean all previous settings and make a "fresh start" with the new GUI for all users. As I understand, this is not possible with "general parameters during installation".

Right - the installation does not write into the HKCU branch of the WIndows registry (where the user specific settings are stored), because the installation typically does not run in the user context. But you could remove the settings under HKCU by means of a logon script for example.
What happens if we remove all other themes as selectable?
If a user had an old theme selected - will it now be Quartz?
I believe there are parameters to set this.

Yes, this will work. The SAP GUI Administration Guide explains how to restrict the selectable themes (search for the keyword "SelectableThemes" - see also here: https://help.sap.com/viewer/dfad9ecd79db404eba46fdd709013a78/770.00/en-US/e7d961683653451397a67607ca....

If the theme selected by the user is forbidden, SAP GUI will use the default theme. If you set SelectableThemes to "800" (hex) for example, all users will be forced to Quartz Light. And the setting of this registry value can be added to your installation package, because that is a HKLM value.

Best regards,
Frank

 
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Thank you Frank!

Yes, we learned about the user specific win-reg with 7.60.

Great that SelectableThemes work this way! This seems like a good solution and a "2 in 1" since you also make a decision on "supported themes"! For example, we have some personas-screens/scripts that do not work with the older themes so it's time to move on!
Former Member
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Can we integrate the WebView2 in the Frontend Installation Server somehow?
MaG
Explorer
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First thing that i did today was to install the newest Version. Is it known that the new SAP GUI has very CPU consumption during debugging? During this, SAP GUI is jumping between the transaction and the debugger.
FrankKrauseGUI
Advisor
Advisor
Hi Marc,

probably yes. You would need to get the MSI from the Microsoft page and launch this during the SAP GUI installation in one of the available events.

Best regards,
Frank
FrankKrauseGUI
Advisor
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Hi Marcel,

no, this is not known. If you can reproduce the issue and when comparing with previous versions you find a notifcable difference, I encourage you to create a support incident so that we can have a look at this.

Best regards,
Frank
former_member203007
Participant
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Nice information, cant wait to try it out! I wonder what the performance will be like in Citrix especially with the new Quartz theme - we'll see!

Thanks again
FabioStein
Participant
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Hi Frank,

Where can I find the location or link to download this new version SAP GUI 7.70 for Windows.

Thank you,

Direct download in this link

seokwonsap
Explorer

Hi Frank,

 

I installed SAP GUI 7.70 Successfully.

 

But, I have a trouble that input field is missing in SE80

(Browser Control : Edge // Logon Language : KO)

 

the log shows "Failed to read registry key for type/subtype ~"

 

Could you check this problem?

 

Missing input field

 

Failed log

 

Thank you.

phsousa
Discoverer
Hello,

the 7.70 is very good indeed but I'm experiencing a strange behavior. From time to time my windows start to jump from one to another. I have a GUI window, then jumps to a Word one, then to my Email, like loop all over windows I have open.

 

Did someone experienced the same?

 

Thanks
zfiori
Participant
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Dear Frank,

Happy new year, 2021.

 

We've installed SAP Business Client 7.70 Successfully.

 

But, we have a trouble that input field is missing in SE80.

(Browser Control : Chromium // Logon Language : ZH)

 


 

Hope you may follow this issue, later.

Thanks.

 

Miller Lam.
fabianlupa
Contributor
Hi,

I have a similar issue. I didn't bother reporting it yet since it is very difficult to describe, would have to screen record it.

I only have this behavior in the embedded SAP GUI inside of ADT / Eclipse. It's reproducable when opening a value / search help with a predefined pattern. I. e. when you have SE11 open and enter a pattern for a data element like ZSOMETHING* and press F4. The value help opens and flickers and presses ALT+TAB all over the place causing you to basically lose control over whats happening. You can then ALT+TAB yourself and try to minimize and maximize windows until it stops. Only then you can start using the value help you tried to open.

I thought this was isolated to ADT, maybe caused by the value help trying to get the dynpro value and using some system call to focus the GUI window for it looping over all open windows but since it is embedded it cannot do so by the window title maybe and fails to find the window causing the loop to never stop?

I also have this since forever (750 or even 740).

frank.krause have you heard of anything similar being reported yet?
sercankdm
Explorer
Hello,

I wanted to give it a try but seems there are some issues to be solved, ALV grid is very slow and hangs while scrolling and buttons are flashing while doing in SAP Signature theme and somehow my ABAP editor font settings are overwritten.

 

Thanks,

Sercan Kucukdemirci
RobA
Participant
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Hi Frank,

I'm enjoying the dark mode Quartz theme and DPI scaling improvements, found a few quirks which I will report if no patches arrive 🙂

 

Can you tell me about the SAPscript Legacy Text Editor?

With 7.50 and 7.60 this was a separate installation as per note 2221815

Will the separate installation be provided for 7.70 also?

 

many thanks

 

 

 

 
Gurpreet_Jaspal
Participant
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I am not facing this issue. Try installing it again, hope this would resolve the issue.

 

Gurpreet_Jaspal
Participant
Can you try installing SAP GUI 7.70. Check my screenshot in reply to dejawa above.
Gurpreet_Jaspal
Participant
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Could not replicate this in my system.

lixianjun_bj
Member
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HI,Frank,F8 to run  does not work with 7.70.
fabianlupa
Contributor

Thanks for trying. I recorded a video of my issue.

https://streamable.com/t6i2wt

yannli
Advisor
Advisor
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Hi Frank,

 

When I open SE10 to check the Transport request, there is a issue that the Plus Icon missed and it can't be clicked to expand the subtree to display the tasks.

Former Member

Does anyone know where the style of these popups can be configured?

I don't like the font but the major issue here is the dark on dark.

 

Edit: To reproduce, this popup appears when entering a nonexisting package name in the input field in SE80 repo browser

Former Member
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We also experienced this (but only for one user) when upgrading to 7.60. So maybe the following will help here as well: Change to one of the modern themes. If you want you can then switch back to Signature, the icons should still be there.
RobA
Participant
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I have the same issue on popup messages in t-codes SNOTE and STMS after updating to 7.70 PL0 with Quartz dark theme.

I tried implementing notes 2894053 / 2691767 / 2306329 /2417561 /2948774 /2938245 but the issue persists.

 

 

 
Former Member
2965688 sounds promising - Support for Quartz theme in POPUP_TO_CONFIRM & POPUP_GET_VALUES
Jean_Sagi
Participant
Hi,

The installing of 7.7 went without any problem.

The Quartz Dark theme is Astounding, BTW, but as others have expressed it has some glitches that need to be addressed in the next patches.

It is Ok to report these problems here or is there any other, proper, way to inform the problems I've found?

Overall is an Amazing release!

J.
RobA
Participant
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I was hoping that would fix it, but I'm on ECC6 EHP7 (so SAP_BASIS 740) and the note only applies to SAP_BASIS 750 - 755

 

On a different NW750 system I recreated the same issue, applied note 2965688 (which also brought down note 2691767) and this solved the issue!

 

I raised it with my maintenance partner to review so they can decide where the solution is and pass to SAP to request a downport of this note to NW 740 basis releases

zfiori
Participant
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Dear Gurpreet Jaspal,

 

Copy that, we'll try it later.

Thanks for your support.

 

:)

 
tomas_chrastina
Explorer

Hello.

First of all, thank your for detailed information and all the work you guys/gals have done!

Installation

I updated from latest version v7.60 Patch Level 9 w/o any problem. (backed up everything, ... we all know the drill)

But from experience, to suggest update, we'll wait for at least Patch Level 1. Or better check it more thorough with group of advanced users with different scopes.

Focus Areas

New Fiori 3 theme family ("Quartz") - After last experience from v7.60 I was a bit worried. Still, I forced myself after looking at the screenshots to check this new theme out.

But I have to say I was disappointed once again. Theme itself is not bad, still I would expect it to be more compact (a lot of free unused space). But main problem are still icons. IMHO they're strangely designed. It looks kind of blurry, strange, not tightened well.

So I've rolled back to Corbu after 10 minutes trial. It's just really hard to distinguish anything. And it "hurts" my eyes.

For me personally last working theme for whole day use is still Corbu. It's not perfect, but it's much easier to distinguish things and use it for longer time period. Also I know a lot of tech users that would "feel" the same.

Maybe it would help (at least a bit, not to make it more compact) to add the same option like SAP Signature theme has -> Use Corbu style icons.

Edge (Chroumium based) - "Good to hear". But I guess it will take a while to deal with all the glitches. But finally cut off IE would be great.

64bit versions of NWRFC controls - There's no practical use-case to use/test it right now. But glad to know there's this new option.

Multi-Monitor-Scaling support - It will really help many users these days. But as it is not supported in Corbu, not everybody. I guess it would be nice to mention supported themes. It would be: Belize and Quartz.

User Settings

A lot of user settings are mentioned in notes, and accessible only in registry settings. This is really not the best and easiest way to go for standard users.

  • First of all, to even know that some setting exists, you need to find it the hard way on the web.
  • Settings are separated in multiple notes.
  • Not every user has access to notes.
  • Using setting in registry is for advanced technical users only.
  • Not every user has user rights to even change registry settings. Not even talking about backup of these.

So I don't understand this approach. For standard user this is really complicated. I would suggest to provide all possible settings in SAP GUI Options. To make it:

  • available in one place,
  • easy to change for everybody,
  • backups (restore defaults), ...

Maybe think about having some of them as Group Policy, to allow administrators to change them?

But please, consider to make it easier. This is really too complicated.

Glitches

Tested it only for few days, but so long it looks fine.

Just found two glitches while started with ABAP Editor.

1) Code completion preview is a bit smaller after upgrade.

I use custom font setting:

Font: Consolas

Size: 9

My guess is, that in v7.70, the size of preview is related (ratio) to used font?

So maybe have some setting as minimal size here?

It is similar to problem, when in some patch of v7.60 you've changed scaling of icons on ABAP Editor bars, and they've become too small.

2) Source code w/o colors, strange refresh with duplicating code while scrolling.

This happened only once when navigation through code. I will monitor it, and try to determine exact conditions, if it happens again. It was first run of ABAP Editor after upgrade, so maybe it just needed a little push.

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Best regards,
Tomas Chrastina

 

tomas_chrastina
Explorer
Hello.

ALV performance was degraded by updates in version v7.60 (maybe even in patches of v7.50) around when field history was introduced. Also reading was changed to ad-hoc read additional data when paging.

It became really slow, reading data when scrolling/paging became "pain". Message that not all data will be copied is there all the time.

So performance was reduced due to additional features. Maybe the request was to reduce server load.

It would be great, if we could use some setting, to don't use features we don't need and rather have better performance (turn off field history, ad-hoc read, ...) I guess. To be able to get what we prefer.

--

Best regards,

Tomas Chrastina

 
hardyp180
Active Contributor
Since installing SAP GUI 7.70 I get logged out of every SAP session about every twenty minutes with a "SAP GUI has stopped working".

Sometimes a box appears saying something about a "destructor" and that also logs me out.

When writing comments in ABAP code some very strange things happen sometimes. I think if you have comments on multiple lines like

"Comment One

"Comment Two

"Comment Three

and change one line then the GUI tries to change the other two lines to keep the indentation the same between them. Whatever it is trying to do it does not work, you end up with the next letter you type repeating twenty times, or twenty quotation marks in a row suddenly appearing.

I like testing theses things despite knowing it will be full of bugs (new releases of SAP GUI always are) but i would not recommend any programmers installing this until the bugs are all fixed.

Cheersy Cheers

Paul
hardyp180
Active Contributor
I recall many years ago now when SAP released a new version of the SAP GUI and it had more bugs than stars in the sky.

In a blog like this loads of people reported all those bugs in the comments and at the start it was all very light hearted. That is because all the people reporting the bugs expected some sort of "hot fix" to be applied every so often, at least for the critical issues. That is, after all, what we do at our own companies when a fatal flaw is discovered in our software.

Then, when it became apparent that all the problems would be fixed, but not until the first scheduled update - in three months time - people started getting really angry and offensive, at which point the blog was locked against further comments.

The question is - can SAP learn from history? This time there are loads of bugs as well, not anywhere near as bad as before, but nonetheless quite serious ones like the one that logs me out at random every so often.

This time - is there going to be a "hot fix" of some sort released in a week or so to address the critical issues, or will it be like before - stick to the planned schedule no matter what happens in reality?

If it is the latter I imagine people are going to get really angry once more, but at least this time they have learned to back up their old GUI files so they can easily revert to the last stable version.

Cheersy Cheers

Paul
FrankKrauseGUI
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Hello Seokwon,

I think this is a case for a customer incident on component BC-FES-CTL.

The input field and combobox in SE80 are by default displayed in an HTML Control (there is a user setting in SE80 "GUI Control-based input fields" with which you can switch this to another display, but I assume you are not using this option). If you have WebView2 installed (is this really the case - is this listed in your Control Panel?), then of course the HTML Control should be displayed properly.

Checkpoints for you:
1) Are you using the HTML Control or the GUI based controls (see above)?
2) If you are using the HTML Control, does the issue also occur with Internet Explorer set as browser control?
3) If the issue does not occur with IE, is the HTML Control based on Edge working in other applications using an HTML control? Like transaction DWDM -> the reports for checking HTML Controls.
4) If the issue also occurs for other transactions: Is WebView2 really installed?
5) Is the issue language dependent? You mentioned Korean as logon language.

Update: And I just saw that below another user reported an issue with another double byte language. This makes it quite likely the issue is related to this. However, I tried SAP internally with Korean and also Chinese in Unicode and non-Unicode systems and for me it is working.

But again: This is better analyzed in an incident.

Best regards,
Frank

FrankKrauseGUI
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Hello Pedro,

during our Beta program the same issue has been reported to us.
We have been able to reproduce the issue to a certain degree (with help from one customer participating in the program) and found that the issue also affects other programs (below also Word and Excel are mentioned). Then we found a relation to the Windows explorer (issue occurs when drives are mapped). Therefore, we reported this to Microsoft and Microsoft is presently analyzing it.

Best regards,
Frank
RobA
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My plan is to pilot this to a small group of users once PL 01 is released, any IT users brave enough to use PL0 are welcome to, but as you say we should be mindful this can be disruptive.

Following that pilot we will start to roll it out to our wider business user community in stages, first stage on PL01 (and any appropriate hot fixes, if released and relevant)

SAP has so much baggage to deal with, so the unit testing and customer involved user acceptance testing will never capture the various scenarios and the way people use things in the real world

Totally welcome the expedient release of hotfixes, these should absolutely come promptly as issues are addressed, especially on the PL0 initial public release
FrankKrauseGUI
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Hello Rob,

I assume there will be such a package, but since this component is not in my area of responsibility I cannot confirm this. However, I have forwarded your question to the responsible colleagues.

Best regards,
Frank
FrankKrauseGUI
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Hello Ming,

We are using SAP GUI for Windows 7.70 on 5000+ clients SAP internally since multiple months and nobody complained about F8 not working (and believe me, they would complain about this, because F8 is used everywhere).

If F8 is not working this likely means that some 3rd party tool is stealing the key (I have seen this quite some times before for other keys).

But like for all functional issues: Please report an incident if you can reproduce the issue and there is no external tool which steals keyboard shortcuts from SAP GUI. You can also check other applications (like for example Outlook in which F8 is doing a selection). I

Best regards,
Frank
phsousa
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Hello frank.krause ,

thank you for your reply.

 

I also noticed something strange. When you try to create a new job on SM36, after you define the program, variant and go to the option to release it immediately , sometimes if goes back to the screen where we choose the program and the variant again but with the fields empty. More weird is that sometimes it actually launches the job and sometimes doesn't

Thanks

Pedro
FrankKrauseGUI
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Hello Yann,

these symbols come from a symbol font which is installed together with SAP GUI. Typically this happens if during the font installation (which is under Windows more magic than anything else) something goes wrong. In most cases a reboot solves these issues (and i all cases I have seen the installation asked for a reboot after it was done...).

Best regards,
Frank
FrankKrauseGUI
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Hello Marc,

yes, that is the right SAP Note to fix the issue.

The problem here is explained in SAP Note 2930005 - "Quartz Dark: Text in HTML Control is displayed with black font on dark gray background". Applications have been getting the background, but not the foreground color from SAP GUI in order to create the colors used in their HTML documents. So far this did not cause an issue, because all themes in SAP GUI had a bright background, but with Quartz Dark this is different. In High Contrast themes this is something else too, because the applications already reacted on this before.

Best regards,
Frank

P.S.: There are more applications facing these issues (see also linked notes in 2930005). Especially important is also the correction for the Dynamic Documents.
FrankKrauseGUI
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Hello Rob,

yes, I recommend you create an incident on the support component being responsible for SAP Note 2965688.

Best regards,
Frank
FrankKrauseGUI
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Hello Jesus,

thank you for your feedback.

Regarding your question: This blog is actually not meant for reporting issues.
I can try what I can to answer questions and react on feedback, but analyzing issues is often not possible via this channel. A good example is the issue with languages Korean and Chinese in the HTML Control mentioned by other users. I cannot even reproduce the issue.

Therefore, if you are facing a bug, my recommendation is to report this to us in an incident.

Thank you,
Frank

 
FrankKrauseGUI
Advisor
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Hi Rob,

my colleagues told me they are already working on providing this package via SAP Support Portal.

Best regards,
Frank
l_molenaar
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Hello,

 

Every time I open the GUI i get the following popup.

When i click "install anyway" the gui just opens and i work as normal.


 

For now i've disabled this whole setting in windows but i doubt this is as expected.

Regards Lukas
FrankKrauseGUI
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Hello Lukas,

this is something you really need to ask Microsoft about.
Similar questions are discussed elsewhere, for example here: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-windows_store/the-app-youre-trying-to-i...

SAP GUI is obviously not an app from the Microsoft store and it will never be, because we need to perform license checks and other checks when the software is downloaded.

Best regards;
Frank

 

 
seokwonsap
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1) Are you using the HTML Control or the GUI based controls (see above)?

→ I can't find which based control.


 

2) If you are using the HTML Control, does the issue also occur with Internet Explorer set as browser control?

→ Not occur with Internet Explorer. Only with Edge

3) If the issue does not occur with IE, is the HTML Control based on Edge working in other applications using an HTML control? Like transaction DWDM -> the reports for checking HTML Controls.

→ HTML Controls not working in DWDM. When I tried, the SAP GUI freezed

4) If the issue also occurs for other transactions: Is WebView2 really installed?

→ Maybe it's related with HTML Controls and I installed WebView2.

5) Is the issue language dependent? You mentioned Korean as logon language.

→ Only in Korean. In English, it works.

 

plus, I reinstalled SAP GUI 7.70. but the SE80 input field is still missing and SAP GUI freezed when execute some reports that related with HTML Controls.

If I changed Browser control edge to IE or change logon language KO to EN, it works well.

 

thanks for your reply.
FrankKrauseGUI
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Hello Pedro,

this does not sound like a SAP GUI issue to me, because the navigation is handled by application logic. But again this is something that support could have a look at.

Best regards,
Frank