It's been downhill from Copenhagen

[Former Member]

it's been so hard to walk the talk. sustainability reminds me a bit of autarky, but hopefully it will not be discredited by the failed and cosmetic attempts individuals and organizations make because sustainability is trendy. sure, software can help, but it can also get in the way as too much reliance is put on rational and analytical and keeping us away from good old common sense. but maybe we expect too much from it and it will take many missteps before we can achieve the laudable goal, but i don't even know how start at home...ok i will turn air conditioning off tonight, but i can't promise that i will keep it off tomorrow

[JimSpath]

Greg:

It's all downhill, but for those of us pushing the boulders temporarily back up. The more who see why we should protect and sustain, the better.

> walk the talk

Yes, it's hard to do the right thing, and harder to know what the right thing is, particularly watching the news and listening to the pundits. Go with the scientific mainstream, who agree that global warming, and climate change, are a result of increased carbon dioxide emissions from burning fuel. Everything else follows from that.

> failed and cosmetic attempts

Not sure what this refers to. Given the BP Gulf oil disaster, it should be plain enough that continued extraction of petroleum gets riskier and riskier.

> sustainability is trendy

If you mean it is a fad that will disappear, I could not disagree more. If you mean that companies are trying to appear they have sustainable business practices when they don't, I concur.

> common sense

You should be very cautious in citing "common sense" as the way to think our way out of our dilemmas. Many scientific truths conflict with what many people believe is common sense, as their perceptions don't extend to the realities of the physical world, from the scale of atoms and nano-particles, up to the size of the solar system. Common sense told people the Earth stood still and the Sun revolves around us for many centuries; didn't make it so.

> don't even know how start at home

(1) Measure your electric use. Here's my example: http://www.editgrid.com/user/jspath55/SPATH-HOME-ENERGY-USE

(2) Reduce #1

(3) Switch to alternate energy sources, if possible. In my state, you can request the electric carrier to feed you from a source such as wind energy. Stay away from "green" energy, which might instead include burning so-called renewable resources such as tree stumps (more carbon emissions).

Keep the faith, baby.

Jim

[Bob_McGlynn]

Greg,

I agree with Jim's reply. The difficulty with any change is, pun intended, sustaining that change. After any promising start a project can stagnate. This causes a certain amount of pessimism to set in. But it's normal for any program, project or initiative to experience set-backs and attention slipping away.

The difference between success and failure has to do with your attitude and your peristence. You have to rely on your own motives and motivation. The inspiring stories about most of our heroes always show them continuing on with their quests despite the opinions or resistance of others. I'm not asking you to be Gandi, I am just asking you to be great and all great people have to work through discouragement.

There continue to be successes realized with sustainability and remember those as you work to be an influence for change. The technology helps track and report on those changes, which might otherwise go unnoticed.

Don't think of approaching sustainability as merely some form of denial - like most people think of dieting as merely denying themselves food. That is how promising starts fade and fizzle. Sustainability is a frame of reference, an attitude, way of living.

Think of the positive choices you make and how those choices make a difference. Say all you do is ride your bike, even just for recreation, you are expending your own energy instead of connected to the power grid for television or surfing the web on your computer. Changing your frame of reference can make all the difference in the difference you start making in the world.

There is a song with the lyrics "When you're smiling the whole world smiles with you.." Keep smiling and keep working at it. Change will come.

Regards,

Bob

[Former Member]

Bob,

I couldn't leave your elaborate comment unanswered, so let me weave my thoughts into your statements so we continue the thread:

The difficulty with any change is, pun intended, sustaining that change. After any promising start a project can stagnate. This causes a certain amount of pessimism to set in. But it's normal for any program, project or initiative to experience set-backs and attention slipping away.

more than stagnate, the project will resume under a new banner. so, the cycle of life will continue, in a way repeating the old but still anew. initiative by definition is only the starting point.

The difference between success and failure has to do with your attitude and your peristence. You have to rely on your own motives and motivation. The inspiring stories about most of our heroes always show them continuing on with their quests despite the opinions or resistance of others. I'm not asking you to be Gandi, I am just asking you to be great and all great people have to work through discouragement.

persistence is fine, but it also brings a lot perspiration and despair when things don't progress as originally planned. for one Gandhi there are thousands (millions?) unnamed who have paved the way for that one individual to succeed. i like to think of Steve Wozniak who stepped aside when the other Steve charged full speed ahead.

There continue to be successes realized with sustainability and remember those as you work to be an influence for change. The technology helps track and report on those changes, which might otherwise go unnoticed.

carbon tax is stuck in the US of A, i hear airlines have 85% "free" carbon credits, so the political game continues. for SAP, this is only another unit of measure as i'm sure the company doesn't want to be responsible for the data it is processing.

Don't think of approaching sustainability as merely some form of denial - like most people think of dieting as merely denying themselves food. That is how promising starts fade and fizzle. Sustainability is a frame of reference, an attitude, way of living.

i agree, it can be more than denial and become a way of life. beyond the single initiative, there has to be a change of mind and internalization of the attitude. i think threads like this only help staying positive and having positive outlook.

Think of the positive choices you make and how those choices make a difference. Say all you do is ride your bike, even just for recreation, you are expending your own energy instead of connected to the power grid for television or surfing the web on your computer. Changing your frame of reference can make all the difference in the difference you start making in the world.

biking is a bit of a problem for me as the roads here are not adjusted to non-car traffic participants, but there are other ways like good old walk if i could only cut down on the commute.

There is a song with the lyrics "When you're smiling the whole world smiles with you.." Keep smiling and keep working at it. Change will come.

smile yes, but grimace no, it has to come from within, but i appreciate your encouragement as i didn't expect anyone to pick up on my skepticism, so now i have to eat my own words. now on to walking behind the lawn mower.

rgds, gm

[Former Member]

i think i got the message.

[marilyn_pratt]

And is the message one of despair?

I think keeping the conversation vibrant is an essential activity.

Think: we weren't really having these conversations globally a mere decade ago.

You met Jim in Berlin. You come to this forum and post. We highlight conversation and keep it going.

You inspire me to bring more eyeballs here.

thanks!

Marilyn

[Former Member]

Walking the talk is a bit difficult with not many choices available and wont make big difference until

sustainable products come in to the market for eg: solar powered car , Air conditioners running on green energy etc

what ever we do will have so small impact until taken up in a big way

This need to be done a higher level in funding innovations an dbringing them to the market available to the comon man