Why not ABAP HR Forum

[sikindar_a]

Dear

Mentors and Moderators

in SDN Forums we have Forums related to ABAP but not ABAP HR as we all know an ABAPER can be assigned to various functionla modules like FICO SD MM off course he also can do HR. but we dont call ABAP SD , ABAP FICO

but we have specilised the Technical Consultant nameing him as ABAP HR ??? Why is it so does there is any reason behind it ??

Reponse from Matt , Suresh datti , Julius are highly appriciated

[Former Member]

oh...Sikindhar i love this Topic Thanks for Raising this and Lot many people till now have been posted related to this ..

Even from Matt End as well...Julius at your Top-speed Quickly catch my old thread ...Thanks for remembering..Really Great

> in SDN Forums we have Forums related to ABAP but not ABAP HR as we all know an ABAPER can be assigned to various functionla modules like FICO SD MM off course he also can do HR. but we dont call ABAP SD , ABAP FICO

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> but we have specilised the Technical Consultant nameing him as ABAP HR ??? Why is it so does there is any reason behind it ??

But your posting making confuse are you SUPPORTING Abap-hr forum or you want to know about that ??

I wonder if Craig would have reply this with some change of previous Reply

Regards

sas

[stephenjohannes]

Well just to play devil's advocate we do have an CRM ABAP forum i.e CRM General & Framework. It's basically ABAP related development questions in relation to CRM with about 10% to 20% business process issues on a good day.

Since CRM folks are so crazy we even split things on the technical side

PCUI Forum

Interaction Center

Mobile Applications

Webclient UI

CRM 7.0

Then added for the function side:

Marketing

Sales

Master Data

Service

Once again where you will find a ton of CRM ABAP related questions in every forum listed above :). In fact some folks want a separate CRM middleware forum which would of course result in more CRM ABAP questions in a different place :).

That being said an HR ABAP forum probably wouldn't be that bad of an idea considering SAP considers the development "weird enough" to offer a 5 day course. What other module of SAP violates convention that 0 means success and any other value as failure. Only HR ABAP could attempt to force ABAP to switch this convention, that alone IMHO merits its own forum.

Take care,

Stephen

[sikindar_a]

iam in support of ABAP HR Forum i worked as functional and also technical

[Former Member]

And why not also have a good ABAP and rubbish ABAP forum? I have always been of the belief that an ABAPper who can't (or wont) learn HR is like a cyclist who wont climb hills.

You know it makes sense.

Gareth

[matt]

I did 3 months HR programming after having a day's introduction by one of the team. Then I went on the HR350 course!

[former_member110461]

Is that not the way you are supposed to do it? Work on it, become an expert and then go on the course to find out where you were going wrong?

Paul

[Former Member]

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> Is that not the way you are supposed to do it?  Work on it, become an expert and then go on the course to find out where you were going wrong?
> 
> Paul

o Paul,

I am thinking of the POOR client

Sas

[Former Member]

Nonsense SAS

The client cannot be poor if he can afford to hire us.

Gareth

[Former Member]

Where's the:

> You know it makes sense.

?

Julius

[Former Member]

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> Where's the:

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> > You know it makes sense.

>

> ?

I once watched a doco called something like Backstage with Morcambe and Wise where Morcambe told a pretty ordinary joke in rehersal and then said to the stagehand:

"Now cut the lights - QUICK! Because with jokes like that it's a long walk off stage".

Same theory for my last post.

You know it makes sense (There you go.....)

Gareth

[Former Member]

A bit off-topic, but SAS (a.k.a. ABAP HR) will be there: Are you joining us for cricket in Bangalore?

You know it makes sense

Julius

[Former Member]

Very Very disappointed and ashamed to say I will not be able to make it.

Shame because the cricket, and meeting up with the "Cricket Cricket" crew was the most attractive part of the deal - so long as all have forgotten the Sydney Test.

I cant wait for the match reports....

You know it makes sense

Gareth (the big Sooky lala).

[Former Member]

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> Are you joining us for cricket in Bangalore?

As far as i know him, Gareth is not young enough to play cricket at 43 But yes He can assist and join us in Banglore as coach(I'm sure he has Brilliant cricket sense and cricket skills as well) .

Mind you: In India people are toooooo much crazy for Cricket they wont love to see their team as loosing side, specially in Kolkata and Bangalore.

Remember Buchanan and Charu sharma after their performance in local IPL?

Therefore my speculation is Gareth will not land in India for at least cricket related activities

You Know it makes sense?

Cheers

[Former Member]

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> Nonsense SAS
> 
> The client cannot be poor if he can afford to hire us.
> 
> Gareth

Ohh..Gareth Give me a break...........

Well it make sense GARETH ...If you check paul reply stating

Paul Tomlinson wrote:Is that not the way you are supposed to do it? Work on it, become an expert and then go on the course to find out where you were going wrong?
Paul

" You can work and only become Expert until you really worked on the requirements of the client " I feel above words of paul as Insane ...Dont it sound funny ?

Ex: If a war is happening Paul suggestion is dont practice, go directly and fight if you are still alive then come back and learn from mistakes then you find out were going wrong

If this happens then "what about poor client who is investing " thats i mean...

Sas

Edited by: Julius Bussche on Aug 18, 2009 9:29 AM

code tags --> quote tags, otherwise it does not make sense

Thanks Julius ,BTW Juilius " but SAS (a.k.a. ABAP HR) will be there??? "

what does A.KA. stands for :)?

Edited by: saslove sap on Aug 18, 2009 10:45 AM

[former_member205352]

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> As far as i know him, Gareth is not young enough to play cricket at 43  But yes He can assist and join us in Banglore as coach(I'm sure he has Brilliant cricket sense and cricket skills as well) .
> You Know it makes sense? 
> 
> Cheers

So now we have a SAP based cricket coach.So coaching medium is ABAP ?

Yes,it makes sense

[Former Member]

And Billy Bowden says.......

Out!

Do.

Raise Silly_Finger.

if Warne_Commentry = c_something_sensible.

exit.

endif.

Enddo.

Cricket's endless loop.

And this wouldn't make sense.

Gareth

[former_member110461]

" You can work and only become Expert until you really worked on the requirements of the client " I feel above words of paul as Insane ...Dont it sound funny ?
Ex: If a war is happening Paul suggestion is dont practice, go directly and fight if you are still alive then come back and learn from mistakes then you find out were going wrong
If this happens then "what about poor client who is investing " thats i mean...

I'd just like to point out that I don't do this... but when I used to teach the courses at SAP I did have a rather amusing scenario. I was teaching an EP course. One Monday morning I had both an "expert" consultant (who had told the client he was on holiday) and the client ended up on the same course together. Made life interesting and I'd imagine there were some fun and games back at the client site.

Paul

[former_member184657]

Is it the silly_finger or crooked_finger?

I dont care if it makes sense

pk

[former_member205352]

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>   if Warne_Commentry = c_something_sensible.
> 
> Gareth

Extra condition:

if beer_bottle ne 'TRUE'.

[Former Member]

Thanks Julius ,BTW Juilius " but SAS (a.k.a. ABAP HR) will be there??? "

what does A.KA. stands for :)?

Waiting for replyyyyyyyyyyy

Regards

sas

[Former Member]

Another Known Alias

[Former Member]

I thouht the interpretation is not accurate !!

Also Known As is his meaning i guess

Sas

[stephenjohannes]

In American Midwestern English(my native tongue) AKA stands for:

"Also known as:"

Alias would have a slightly different usage, as it would indicate name completely different than the original used as an identifier. AKA can indicate either a nickname or alias in normal use, at least in my vernacular.

Take care,

Stephen

[sikindar_a]

And one more sugestion as an consultant we should also be good in MS-word and excel sooo why cant we have forums for that one also

>i hope the moderators will take in positive way this as a suggestion

[Former Member]

Thats a good But First lets get one then we can discuss that again

Regards

sas

[rainer_hbenthal]

HR differs widely from normal ABAP in SD/MM/Fi/CO

Logical databases are mainly used in HR but seldom in other areas. The same with GET, several provide makros, time constraints in the infotypes and infotypes themselves.Authorizations are critical due to personal data and needs not only to be checked in PFCG but often in the reports themselves.

[Former Member]

> Authorizations .... needs not only to be checked in PFCG but often in the reports themselves.

This is new to me. Could you explain? Other than the LDB aspects and the fact that HR has about 2 kilometers of authority-check code all in one place and not scattered around the place like in some other modules - I am not aware of any differences.

Anyway, I think the time has come to introduce Sikindar to [Saslove sap|;

Cheers,

Julius

[sikindar_a]

Thanks

and julius yes i expected and was expecting from you if there lot of difference in work style of normal ABAP and HR ABAP than why not we can have a forum for ABAP HR

Edited by: Sikindar on Aug 14, 2009 1:53 PM

[matt]

ABAP HR has a number of special ways of accessing data, through macros, or forms (like cd_manager). To program effectively in HR, you need to know these macros and forms and how to use them (often to get at data in Cluster tables). HR transparent tables have a specific structure that you need to understand. You need to be able to handle repeating structures, ie. -FIELD1, -FIELD2, -FIELD3,...

I'm currently doing a lot of work in BW HR ABAP programming, and the biggest pain is the fact that the data is all time dependent. For this kind of operation, SAP have supplied the PROVIDE database selection command.

Apart from that - there's no difference.

( btw, Rainer, I've used LDBs in QM, PM and various parts of FI - it seems that their most popular among older modules ).

matt

[rainer_hbenthal]

Using a logical database all check authorizations is done there, but if you go directly on infotypes you need to implement all the authorization checks in your report to see if you can display the data or not.

[Former Member]

Hi Rainer,

Okay, now I understand what you meant with the LDB option.

Cheers,

Julius

[suresh_datti]

You can avoid using PNP and go in for the function call HR_READ_INFOTYPE that has built in authn. checks. One other option is to use the methods in the Infotype reader classes.

~Suresh

[rainer_hbenthal]

I dont want to avoid PNP. It offers a selection screen which is similar to all other reports using PNP as well. This is a big advantage for the enduser.