SDN BCS Mentor's steep personnel comments for technical questions..

[Former Member]

Please read the thread and let us know if this is the sort of attitude, SDN BCS mentor should continue in the forum..

/thread/844980 [original link is broken]

When we are literally looking for technical help, we write in the forum.

Mentor may help or may not help. May guide , may not guide.

But getting too personnel is discouraging and to larger extend it does spoil the reputation of SDN forum.

Who is he to ask about my brain and education.. Do the mentor need to go too far?

He is literally trying to stop me from asking question in the forum and I donot want to feel suffocated.

[ThomasZloch]

Apart from maybe getting a bit too personal on this occasion (the bad day theory), I wish we had an army of Eugenes swinging their axes in the ABAP forums to reduce what Chris is describing.

My guess is that 90% of all questions posted there are repetitive, bold, vague, lazy or otherwise inappropriate.

Well, my very complaint here is also repetitive...

Bonsoir

Thomas Z.

[ChrisSolomon]

In my opinion, his comments were not out of place at all. No one said a mentor has to be "care bear" in all their replies. Are the best teachers the ones that treat you the kindest, are most forgiving and spoon feed you all the answers to your questions or are they the ones that will guide you while making you work to educate yourself? I think he was just being brutally direct. If for example he would have said "Would you please search the forum before asking this question so that we are able to better control to flow and quanity of posts as well as make the moderators' jobs much easier?" would that have been as pleasing to you even if the message was essentially the same?

[Former Member]

Hi Chris,

What I felt out of place is questioning the 'brain' and 'education' and going in to too personnel attack in consequetive post. he can very well limit his answer to asking to search the forum.

[ChrisSolomon]

You might have caught him/her on a "bad day". Trust me...I am guilty of the same. Some days, I see so many posts for interviews questions, fake resumes, "do my work for me", and "I'm too lazy to search first", that eventually I might just "go off" on one of them. It happens. I wouldnt' take his "brain" and "education" remarks too personally. He might have been trying to "kick you in the butt" a little to make you go figure it out on your own (so your "I'll show him" mechanism would kick in. haha).

[former_member374]

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> Hi Chris,
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> What I felt out of place is questioning the 'brain' and 'education' and going in to too personnel attack in consequetive post. he can very well limit his answer to asking to search the forum.

Hi M. Iyer,

Eugene's responses sound to me, like a lot of frustration has been built up over the last weeks regarding the quality of the questions in the forum that he frequents.

He especially doesn't like questions that have been answered many times before or imprecise questions. I also think that the noise level in the forums is too high. It looks like you got the brunt of his frustration. The posts have been edited, so I don't know how it was written originally.

Please everyone use the charity principle and assume good intentions. Of course as an SAP Mentor your posts are looked at a bit closer and you are held to a higher standard, but we all have bad days.

Eugene does also post nice helpful answers:

Still it is not great to be on the receiving end of criticism that got slightly personal. Please don't take it like that. It is the problem of the written word especially if written by non native speakers like me: Nuances and intention often get lost or worse are misinterpreted.

Hope this helps. I pinged Eugene to get his side of the story too.

Best, Mark.

[ChrisSolomon]

Geeez Mark..you just said basically the exact thing I as I said in the post above yours, just in a more "politically correct" way. haha You aren't becoming some kind of corporate publicist are you? *grin*

[former_member374]

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> Geeez Mark..you just said basically the exact thing I as I said in the post above yours, just in a more "politically correct" way. haha You aren't becoming some kind of corporate publicist are you? *grin*

Hi Chris,

You were just way faster than me. I saw your answer half way through writing mine, but that doesn't stop me to add to the noise in the Coffee Corner

I also have the little illusion that my sort of 'official' answers are making a difference, but may be not

Best, Mark.

[Former Member]

Hi Mark

I didn't know rants were permitted in the Coffee Corner!

Regards

Ravi

[former_member374]

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> Hi Mark
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> I didn't know rants were permitted in the Coffee Corner!
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> Regards
> Ravi

Well Ravi,

M. Iyer felt that he was unfairly treated in another forum and posted about it. I think it is stretching it, to call this a rant. Chris and I have hopefully set the record straight.

We actually created the Coffee Corner for posts that are not necessarily related to SAP. I personally don't care much about Cricket, but I like to see that people get passionate from all over the world about it right here on SDN.

For me the coffee corner forum is a bit the place where we figure the things out, or at least try to, what is acceptable for the community and what isn't.

For that to happen, members have to be allowed to post about the things that they don't like. Without it being labeled a rant.

Of course it is an advantage if the post is very factual and leaves emotions and especially personal attacks out, but that is also something that needs to be learned.

Therefore constructive rants, if you want to even call them that, are allowed.

Here is a funny rant about Pachelbel's Canon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdxkVQy7QLM

I love the Canon, but also have heard it a bit too often lately and therefore I thoroughly enjoy this piece of comedy.

Check it out, Mark.

[Former Member]

Hello,

Ok my part of the story, very sketchy. The prehistory.

One man joined the BCS and Financials forums a little more than half year ago.

Tried to be very active. Pretending to be experienced and having many projects implemented.

Answering almost all BCS forum's questions. Very often not correctly or just by rephrasing the others answers.

Several people told him not to answer for the sake of giving answer if he doesn't know the correct answer.

Had confrontation with some of such people.

Created several fake accounts-clones. Clones were used for posting questions and attacking opponent.

There is no need to say that answers given to clones questions were rewarder if answered by the man.

Clones were discovered and deleted. But the man's account was left intact.

Here is a couple of threads in confirmation:

The Man disappeared some time ago.

Then appeared again after renaming of external presentation of his user.

The 1st question in the question quated is of the sort "For which purposes accounts are used in FI?" and usually the link from sap.help is enough. Trying to uderstand a little who is this person I found out that it is our hero. But simply under other name. Pretending to be a guru in the past and now not knowing how to use search in forums.

Maybe I didn't restrain my temper. Sorry for that.

I have two questions to community:

1. Should I have restrained myself and give more polite answer, knowing all this prehistory?

2. Should the user who used to create fake accounts for points hunting remain a part of the community?

[Former Member]

For last 4 months I did not have issue with you. I have done many posting in last 4 months and did not vanish anywhere as you mention. Suddently you are restarting with past excuse, but is there any new reason and new excuse?

But I have done my contribution by answering questions. 1 out 10 may be less in detail , but 9 replies were rewarded with marks as being good/helpful. By attaching a link, you are trying to paint picture out of proportion.

Also the notion that I am after mark hunting is somehow fundamentally wrong.You continue to have prefixed opinion about me. Though many of the question I can answer, could not due to time limitation.

In the current thread now.. you are increasing the misunderstanding by commenting my experience and project details ..and which is nobody’s business in common forum...But this is the way it is handled by you

Most of my questions are answered by SDN BCS leading No.1 expert :Dan Sullivan and No. 3 expert Mr. Sekar , which is self evident if my questions had technical complexity or not.

Inspite of your bad comments about me, they prefer to answer. It shows your credibility and I know mine.

I am in SAP since last 12 years. I am member with SDN for 7 year.. not for 6 months.IN 2003 I had ID as FICO consultant.( due to forgetting the password and email id was addressed to old company id) I have new one ID since past 10 months... Sometimes to access the SDN replies to project email , we had project common SDN user name. There were some occasions..

Don’t carry any bad feeling too long and getting too personnel in comments. But if that is way BCS mentor's brain works noone can stop.

SAP is already substituting BCS by BPC and catresian products of SAP. There will be lot of new experts in this area soon and you and me will become one among experts in new product soon.

Edited by: M. Iyer on May 3, 2008 9:08 AM

[Former Member]

Ok Eugene and M. Iyer ENOUGH!

Leave the personal attacks to offline.

Bit of History as well SDN started late 2003 and went public in 2004.