Not fair, not fair! It's not fair!

[Former Member]

Mark (Finnern) !!!!! -

You've scheduled my session in the same slot as Ed's.

But I'm going to Ed's!!!

Anyone who's not going either thinks he/she knows more than Ed (doubtful) or is from the "dark side" (Java-side).

So I guess I won't be giving my session after all.

Hmmm ... maybe that's what you intended ...

Do I detect the fine hand of Craig Cmehil in here somewhere ?????

Just kidding, Craig ... just kidding.

Seriously, though - please cancel my session cause I ain't missin' Ed's.

Best

djh

[Former Member]

David:

I understand your frustration...Mine is at the time as Dan's...And I don't really want to miss it...However, this is my first opportunity to host a Session and don't to miss that either...What I fear is that people coming to my session, choose Dan's over mine...Which would be naturally understandable...

But...As I comment on Mark's blog...It's only one day where we can host our Sessions...So the best arrangements must be done...

Greetings,

Blag.

[Former Member]

I have a solution that I'm going to use.

It will be like the "Asst Prof/Assoc Prof/Full Prof" rule in US colleges:

i) if you have an Asst Prof teaching your class and he or she is late, you wait 5 mins - then you can leave;

ii) for an Assoc Prof - 10 minutes

iii) for a Prof - 15 minutes.

So I'm going to do this.

First, if there's no pre-sign-up, I'm going to cancel.

Second, I will wait five minutes. If no more than five people are in the audience at the end of five minutes - I will cancel also. Not going to miss Ed's session for five people who will eventually be able to read the same stuff on the Bio-WIKI if they're interested.

Only thing I'll feel bad about is that it really is true - the design problems on the bio side are the same as the design problems for a certain kind of WDA MM app that SAP should really be thinking about writing at some point in the near future ... and that's when we get into "safe" use of WDA iframes vs portal, etc.

Best

djh

[former_member374]

Hi David and Alvaro,

Sorry for your frustration. The SAP Mentor Hands On track are 4 sessions in a row. That leaves one session that is left for everyone that wants to go to all of them and I am sure you two are not the only ones that will miss one of the MHO sessions.

I see what I can do, but won't guarantee. To want to drop your own session so that you can participate in Eds is not very nice. It is a self-fulfilling prophecy. Who wants to go to your session now that you have voiced your opinion so publicly that you are not really interested in giving it.

David you have my e-mail address, why didn't you voice your frustration to me directly?

This is just sad, Mark.

[Former Member]

Mark -

I'm really sorry you misinterpreted the tone of my post ... I'm not frustrated or angry or even annoyed or anything negative like that. To the contrary, I think it's kind of funny and no big deal at all.

Here's why.

There are only two reasons for anyone to attend my session:

i) they're interested in the issue of whether SAP is going to eventually force folks to call applets at the portal level, because it's too much of a support nuisance for SAP to have to tell people that they're using a WDA iframe unsafely (see my long conversations with Thomas about this in various theads);

ii) they agree with my basic premise that SAP should market NW7 as a stand-alone IDE without any SAP applications at all.

The number of folks in (ii) is vanishingly small, so no loss there if I dont' give the session.

And as far as is concerned, eventually some one in MM is going to wake up and say:

"Hey, I'd like a WDA application that presents a BOM tree and when I double click a component in the tree, it triggers an external app that lets me rotate a 3-D view of the component (not just display a "static" Documentum or Maximo picture, or a "static" picture that's a static attachment in a native content server.)"

And when that happens, folks will realize the point of the session I had in mind, so there's no loss on that side either.

Really - I mean it. I wasn't being "pissy" at all - in fact, I found the whole thing kind of funny.

To me, the Jung/Heilman/McWeeney/Hermann sessions are probably one of the main reasons for going to all of Tech Ed ... I just wish they had been scheduled in a regular track on Tues, Wed, or Thurs.

Best

djh

[pokrakam]

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> ii) they agree with my basic premise that SAP should market NW7 as a stand-alone IDE without any SAP applications at all.
> 
> The number of folks in (ii) is vanishingly small, so no loss there if I dont' give the session.

I had to think about whether to respond to this or not, but I for one agree with you on this point, even though you just called me "vanishingly small"

[Former Member]

@Mark: Sorry...I didn't want to put words on @David's mouth...He didn't actually talk about frustration...I just assume the feel the same way I do...So yes...I'm frustrated, but just because I didn't wanted to miss Dan's Session...But I haven't said that I'm not going to drop my Session...On the contrary, I'm very happy to be able to host a Session, and going to do it the way I could -;)

I'm sure that Dan is going to be kind enough to give me an small inside about this work...

@David: Sorry...As I already tell Mark that it wasn't my intention to put words in your mouth...

Greetings,

Blag.

[Former Member]

Hey Mike -

Thanks for taking the time to reply.

Please believe me when I say that it's really important to me personally that you agree with the "premise".

This is because I've been reading your posts for a long time, and you seem to be one of the "Rocks of Gibraltar" around SDN and the general SAP community, with a tremendous amount of hands-on as well as "book" knowledge. (In other words, your "footprint" here at SDN certainly isn't "vanishingly small" - now don't misinterpret - I'm NOT telling you that "your feets too big", as the old Fats Waller song goes.!

So a if a "pillar of the community" like yourself agrees with the premise, then it tells me that I may not be "standing at a slight angle to the universe" after all.

Best regards

djh

[pokrakam]

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> This is because I've been reading your posts for a long time

I haven't seen many of your posts in my usual forums, that would make you ... a lurker!

On a serious note, thanks for the kind words. It is however a largely a community effort. And I would also suspect that you and I are not the only ones who have that opinion. This is pure speculation on my part, but I have a suspicion that the recent furore over the NetWeaver trial licensing could be linked in some way or another...

Cheers,

Mike

[Former Member]

At first I thought you were trying to "chicken-out"..? )

(just joking of course)

ps: Glad you enjoyed the book. Feel free to pass it on further if you wish.

[Former Member]

Glad to hear there are other "Albigensians" out there, Mike.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albigensian_Crusade

But I hope that they aren't getting the stakes ready in Las Vegas. Could give a whole new meaning to the phrase "Burning Man"!!!!

Anyway, we did have a minor disagreement once about whether WF containers are logically equivalent to WDA controllers, and even though Alan (R) eventually took my side of the debate, I thought you had valid points on your side as well.

And yes - I do lurk in places that discuss things I'm not actively working in/on at the moment.

Again, best regards

djh

[Former Member]

Hey Julius -

Chicken-out?

Mark and Marilyn and Craig will tell you that their problem is trying to get me to

STOP talking, not getting me to START talking.

Hell, I'll talk at the drop of a hat.

Did I hear a hat drop?

I hope so.

And yes, I will "pass the book forward". I'm sure there are many others who'll enjoy it for the same reason I did ... it will remind them of how much fun it was to be a stone doper (just kidding ... just kidding ... I'm a tequila and Zima/Chill man myself.)

Still am.

Best

djh

[pokrakam]

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> Glad to hear there are other "Albigensians" out there, Mike.

Ironic that you should mention it, I've been spending a lot of time travelling between two clients in France for the past few months

> But I hope that they aren't getting the stakes ready in Las Vegas. Could give a whole new meaning to the phrase "Burning Man"!!!!

Not to worry, I'm giving Vegas a miss this year. Been there done that and don't feel the need to mission all the way from Europe to see it for the third year in a row. Too many crusades to take care of this side of the pond

> And yes - I do lurk in places that discuss things I'm not actively working in/on at the moment.

Likewise, keeps the skillset up to date...

[Former Member]

Hi djh,

Always interesting to read your posts and learn some new vocabularly.

"Zima" is clear now; but still googling "stone doper"... looks like an Olympic sport of some sorts

Cheers,

Julius

[former_member184657]

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> "stone doper"... looks like an Olympic sport of some sorts 
> 
> Cheers,
> Julius

a doper who dopes till he is stoned?? Just guessing

pk

[Former Member]

Hi JB -

"stone" is an old US slang adjective from the 60's-70's meaning "a textbook case of". So a "stone doper" is a "textbook case" or "paradigmatic example" of a doper.

I personally think the expression comes from the English idiom "stone cold dead" - meaning he's so dead that he's cold as a stone (because stones are usually cooler than their environments, at least in forested areas.)

But that's just my hypothesis - any good book on the history of recent US slang should provide an answer as to the origin of the expression.

Best

djh

[Former Member]

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> Hi JB - 
> 
> "stone" is an old US slang adjective from the 60's-70's meaning "a textbook case of".  So a "stone doper" is a "textbook case" or "paradigmatic example" of a doper.
> 
> I personally think the expression comes from the English idiom "stone cold dead" - meaning he's so dead that he's cold as a stone (because stones are usually cooler than their environments, at least in forested areas.)
> 
> But that's just my hypothesis - any good book on the history of recent US slang should provide an answer as to the origin of the expression.
> 
> Best
> djh

So... I have "a brain like an iron ball"...?

There are some blogs I don't like the look of either (meetings revolving around small dogs?), in addition to some posts down in ABAP General (difference between ABAPDOCU and F1?). I want them to start thinking like... "the rules"...

I'll get my towel, spunge and flip-flops... and see what I can do

Edited by: Julius Bussche on Aug 20, 2008 12:38 AM