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Its an exciting new year for Formula1. The radically-revised aerodynamic regulations, slick tyres and new KERS (whatever that means) has turned the grid on its head.

The emergence of Brawn with a 1-2 finish on debut, no finish for the Ferraris and a slow McLauren car - all signs of an exciting new F1 season.

Personally, Im really excited abt VJM02 which was built in 120 days with only 8 days of testing returing to the pits 9th and 11th.

So, whats your take on the new F1 season?

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Teams like FERRARI ,MERC,BMW,TORRO,RENAULT have started testing in spain for 3 days test...............

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Seems pretty inminent that Stefan GP is going to knock either USF1 or Campos out... I think Campos is the most likely to go, any thoughts?

Regards

Juan

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[New Ponits Again O_O|http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8497949.stm]

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Im not very comfortable with the idea of half a dozen not-so-familiar names replacing the BMWs and Toyotas and Hondas!

pk

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What about AUDI, Lambhorghini, Masserati, GM, Ford, Chrysler and others?? o_o

they don't come to F-1

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Well Cosworth use to belong to Ford until 2004... 😄

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Most of them are in danger of remaining as car-makers let alone take part in a largely-unprofitable-and-potentially-asset-wiping-sport!

pk

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@ Juan : yeah, Jaguar-Cosworth right ? Eddie Irvine was the pilot

@ Kishan : Hope they pick up profits in their normal auto business..... or they wud have to sell off to the Chinese... already GM's Hummer brand has been sold to the Chinese

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Hummer sold to the chinese?

😮

Dammit!!! Or Damid as Sas would like to say

pk

PS: What about the military Humvees? That too???

Edited by: kishan P on Feb 11, 2010 12:58 PM

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I think so.... The Entire Brand has been sold off for $500 million or more ..

[GM-Hummer-Sichuan Tengzhong Heavy Industrial Machinery Corp.|http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33243531/ns/business-autos/]

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pK : bad news

[HUMMER Shutdown |http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/biz/international-business/General-Motors-to-close-down-Hummer-as-its-sale-to-Chinese-firm-fails/articleshow/5614159.cms]

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Its official Karun Chandhok will drive for Hispania or HRT (former Campos) for the enjoyment of the Indian people...

http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/formula-1-news/229298/chandhok-joins-senna-at-hrt/

Regards

Juan

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It does feel good to see some(oh... am I being too optimistic) India faces in F1.

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[Hamilton admits 'mishandling' Alonso in 2007.|http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81848]

[Schumacher says McLaren is the leading team |http://www.india.com/sports/formula1/schumacher-says-mclaren-leading-team_7279]

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Bahrain GP :

1. F.Alonso - Ferrari

2. F.Massa - Ferrari

3. L.Hamilton - McLaren

4. S.Vettel - Red Bull Renault

5. N.Rosberg - Mercedes

6 M.Schumacher - Mercedes

7. J.Button - McLaren

8. M.Webber - Red Bull Renault

9. V.Luizzi - Force India

10. R.Barrichello - Williams

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Yes Dinesh. It was a pretty decent season opener!

V.Luizzi had a good run with his Force India car. Sutil was unlucky to have bumped into Kubica, but still fought back well.

But I think the day clearly belonged to the Ferrari Drivers! It almost looked like Vettel was going to walk away with it mid-race, but both Ferraris powered their way through. Massa too did a great job coming back from a life-threatening injury. Schumi? Nothing much to talk about, except that he kept his ground throughout the race, pretty lacklustre performance but then its his first comeback race.

Oh, Karun lost out in the second lap due to mechanical problems. Poor chap.

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Yep... Good Race !! Wish there were overtaking manouvers in the race......

[Official FIA Race Classification|http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/f1_media/Documents/bhn-race-classification.pdf]

Hope the Force India Team and Karun do well......

And hope Schumi and Ferrari+Massa do well !!

God ! So many different people to support

Regards

Dinesh

Edited by: Dinesh Selvaraj on Mar 15, 2010 2:17 PM

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Hmm, let me see, they:

- cancelled refueling stops (-> less possible strategies, all cars have the same weight all the time)

- made the front tires smaller, it looks like this leads to very careful and defensive driving, call it sunday-grandpa-style)

- cancelled the use of the KERS (which obviously was no succes, but there were differences in top speeds because of it)

So i prepare for one of the most boring f1 seasons ever...

Cheers Michael

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I have to agree... it was a pretty dull, the only overtakes was done by the people passing Vettel after he lost power in his Redbull...

Why don't they put spikes on the tyres (speedracer style) and hire a few people with crossbows to make it more entretaining?... 😄

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They might as well make a single lane track, which effectively would mean, the winners are pretty much decided during the practice sessions. On race day you just need to wait and watch who goes off track or who has mechanical problems to decide the winner

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Juan, I already suggested fixing air-2-air missiles on each car 😛

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2010 AUS GP :

1. Jenson Button

2. Robert Kubica

3. Felipe Massa

4. Fernando Alonso

5. Nico Rosberg

6. Lewis Hamilton

7. Vitantonio Liuzzi

8. Rubens Barrichello

9. Mark Webber

10. Michael Schumacher

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Great thread to discover while searching for other things! Monaco next, can Schumi get the podium this week?

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What an exciting race in Montreal.

What a great win for McLaren.

Schumi tried to put Massa out of the track... but still, he gets no penalty for this.

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As if the current ordinary F1 season was not enough comes a needless magnanimous controversy to plunge F1 into more chaos.

Sigh sigh!

pk

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Ferrari did not want Alonso to take out both cars... like Red Bull did a few weeks ago.

But still, this is cheating.

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I fail to understand the motivation behind this kind of cheating. The Bosses very well know their "instructions" are illegal and that they will be picked up in the team radio. So why give those instructions in the first place and attract such a huge fine and embarrassment. And the worst part about the whole thing is that its not a one-off thingy. It happens from time to time. Renault's crashgate involving Nelson Piquet Jr is still fresh in the memory. It also brought their F1 stint to an end.

One cant but think, was it all worth it? It also makes you wonder if there's some kind of powerful betting mafia behind the whole sham!

pk

ps: surprisingly, in both these bizarre incidents, Alonso was the beneficiary! Hmmm....

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Actually, I cannot understand why team orders are not allowed. Formula1 is a team sport when it comes to the constructors championship.

If in a football match, a guy is on a hat trick and the team wins a penalty, the regular penalty taker quite often gives the guy a chance to get his hat trick.

Isn't this the same?

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But then the regular penalty kicker is just the preferred penalty kicker, a specialist (if Im not wrong).

In a dangerous sport like F1, unnecessary and unplanned maneuvers on the race track can cost human lives. Take Renault crashgate for example. They have engineered a crash and it could have gone either way. Somebody could have lost his life.

Also, on a personal front I consider it cheating because you are denying a genuine winner his place on the podium.

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Yes, the Renault incident was dangerous.

But the Ferrari incident seems safer than what happened with Vettel and Webber earlier in the year.

Also, this time Alonso was being held back by Massa and Vettel was closing in on him as a result of it.

unnecessary and unplanned maneuvers on the race track can cost human lives

That's why the overtaking was planned.

..and the preferred penalty taker will lose out on a goal to help his teammate.

If you want another example, there are plenty of cases in cricket where the team has nearly finished the match, but since one batsman is reaching a milestone, the other guy slows down (denying himself valuable international runs) to help his teammate achieve that milestone.

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Javagal Srinath bowling wides to avoid taking a wicket and let Anil Kumble grab a 10-wicket haul is very different from coming back from a near-fatal accident, working your back up and finally losing out to your team mate because of orders from above.

The difference here is that Javagal was willingly shying away from taking a wicket out of admiration for Anil, whereas there's no love behind the wheels of a 350kmph+ machine. The look of Massa's face revealed that he was just not happy with it.

So, my point is, if there's a mutual consent between the two parties, then everything is hunky-dory otherwise its a big no-no. And I still havnt mentioned that its against the spirit of the game...

pk

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New Season... First race cancelled and the second one was a bit boring IMO.

I insist they should provide people in the stands with crossbows to make it more exciting

Hope the other teams catch up because will be boring to see the Redbull's running alone in the lead.

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I woke up at 5 AM to watch the race realised it is actually at 6 because of the change in clocks and I went back to sleep. I realise I didn't miss a thing. I used to be quite glad to see Schumacher lead from start to finish race after race, but some how it is not quite so interesting if Vettel or Hamilton does that. The real interesting thing is to see whether Hispania racing will ever get in to the main race this season.

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I suggest at least one "lucky" spectator be allowed to race in every race, just to spice things up.

:-Pk

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nice driving from Sebastian Vettel!

The new hopeful German F1 monarch perhaps? 😛

PS

What in the world is happening to McLaren and Ferrari? 😕

Edited by: JMJ on Apr 20, 2009 7:38 AM

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The German's are BACK !!

And Jenson Button leads the current World Championship with 21 pt.s

Rubens Barrichello 2nd with 15 pt.s

and Brawn GP is leading the Constructor's Title with 36 pt.s

third consecutive non-finish for Ferrari

Edited by: Dinesh Selvaraj on Apr 20, 2009 12:33 PM

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> What in the world is happening to McLaren and Ferrari? :\

I guess they never expected such a competition.

By the time they comeback in pace with others (Brawn etc) they would have lost the chance to comeback.

P.S:By the way myself Mclaren fan especially Hamilton:-)

and Force India,I want them atleast in Top 8 sometime.Bet they will sometime this season the way they are going

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OK, Brawns Toyota and the other (don´t remember the team) air deflector is legal so this years season will be very interesting... I loved to read this new this morning.

Hope Brawns get enough money to keep going as they uses MB engines and as I am a huge fan of MB brand (that´s why I like McLaren too) then I want to see a much more intense battle between small teams this season.

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I bet some of the Big players will have their diffusers ready in a race or two... so the catch up game begins.... being a Mclaren fan myself, hope they have something cooking as they were testing before the sesson started with some prototype of deflector.

Looking forward to see the race this Sunday.

Regards

Juan

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Oh dear... What a heartbreak for Force India's Adrain Sutil. Once again he comes soooo tantalisingly close to winning some championship points(remember last Monoco's possible fourth finish) and then crashes!!!!

I banged my head so hard, it hurt more than the loss

But great race by Vattel. And a great result for Red Bulls. Man!! is'nt this season getting better and better after every race?

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Button makes it three wins from four in Bahrain

Brawn's Jenson Button has taken his third victory of the season after a commanding performance in Sunday's Bahrain Grand Prix. Button finished 7.1s seconds clear of Red Bull's Sebastien Vettel, with polesitter Jarno Trulli third for Toyota.

Lewis Hamilton took fourth for McLaren, with Rubens Barrichello fifth in the second Brawn. Kimi Raikkonen scored Ferrari's first points of the season with sixth place.

[Points Tally|http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/standings/index2009.shtml]

J.BUTTON - 31

R.BARRICHELLO - 19

S.VETTEL - 18

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Perfect execution by the Brawn team. Just magnificent driving there by Button. But what's more astonishing is Vettel/RedBull execution at the end - Vettel pushed hard and made a very quick pitstop to get ahead of Trulli.

And finally, some points for Ferrari.

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Finally Ferrari was able to open the account. Its an amazing start to this F1 season.. The less know teams have done really well. But being a hardcore Ferrari fan my heart bleeds :-(.. I hope its not too late for them to come back

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It really is an interesting F1 season. I predict a Brawn, Red Bull, McLauren Constructor's finish this season, with Ferrari languishing somewhere in the bottom half of the table.

Ive given up on Force India earning a point this season too

Vijay Mallya is just too unlucky with his Sporty business, be it F1 tracks or IPL fixtures.

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If anyone follows English Premier League you will see that the last two or four teams get relegated every season. If the same rule applies in F1 then Ferrari looks in real danger )...

Coming to Mallaya.. I think at the end of F1 and IPL and season even if he feels like selling these teams, no one would be planning to buy it. Both the teams(Force India and RCB) are tagged with the worst performers.

I am not sure why he went with the country's name(Force India) when other teams mainly sticks to their company(brand) names??

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Ive given up on Force India earning a point this season too

I guess it was engine heating problem which lowered the chances this time around though A Sutil seemed good.

They have worst pit stop strategy.

I think when other teams get their parties spoilt (crash etc) only then Force India has chances(atleast in 😎 I guess

:-).

The new booster(cursor or diffuser whatever its called) technology which are present in some cars and some don't use it and some don't work(referring to Massa) doesn't make races interesting.I guess FIA has to rethink on using this.

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I think this is a great F1 start, a new team and not so old team either are leading the points for the first time in many years. Only big wallet teams had oportunities in the past but now Brawn, Toyota, Red Bull are doing great jobs so in this way we could think that not only the driver makes difference, money was playing a key role in the past but this year you can see who is who driving an F1 car.

This year we have seen a rebourned Jason, Rubens, Vettel, Trulli and more drivers that before this year looked like another slow F1 driver but now we can see they are not slow, is just that they did not have the chance to drive a better car. The difference between Hamilton and the other McLaren driver (huge difference in positions), also Massa is not what it looked in the 2008 season, Alonso driving like crazy speaks on how dependant were some drivers on their cars.

Top end teams like Ferrari, McLaren, Renault, BMW focused in the Kers because that is costly and generates more HP during some burst and did not care enough about handling, but low budget teams did focus in chassis and handling and today we are having the result of this two strategies.

You can see the difference when Mclaren uses his Kers passing Brawn cars but when turns comes then Brawn takes over the McLaren, can you imagine if Brawn and Red Bull puts Kers in his cars this season.... that will makes the difference huge and top winning drivers like Hamilton will look like Nakayima at the end of the race, hopefully this won´t happen.

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Spanish Grand Prix - 2009

Brawn GPu2019s Jenson Button drove a pluperfect two-stop race to take his fourth victory in five races in Sunday afternoonu2019s Spanish Grand Prix, leading home early leader and three-stopping partner Rubens Barrichello by 13 seconds.

It was a resounding success for Brawn, but Barrichello had Mark Webber right on his tail at the finish as the Australian headed a Red Bull 3-4. His team mate Sebastian Vettel had been trapped behind Felipe Massau2019s fast-starting Ferrari from the outset, but finally slipped...

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Sebastian Vettel had been trapped behind Felipe Massau2019s fast-starting Ferrari from the outset, but finally slipped

I felt bad for Felipe Massa. He was driving so very well. But he had to sacrifice 2 positions because he was running out of gas. If he would have gone defending his position against Vettel, he wouldnt have been able to complete the race. And taking a pitstop when there were only 6 laps left would have made sure that he joins at 8th or 9th place.

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A few observations:

1. Button right on the Button... again

2. Barrichello every right to feel ditched by his own team...until the truth is out (the pitstop strategy change to benefit the table leader Button)

3. Massa unlucky for lack of fuel as already mentioned.

4. Still no signs of Force India earning a point this time thanks to the huge pile-up.

5. The fact that Ferrari drivers are not necessarily the best drivers in the race. Its always mostly the cars..

pk

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[Some controversy|http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/090510222405.shtml]............

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[new medals system|http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7957788.stm]

[New Budget Cap|http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/03/17/budget-caps-for-f1-in-2010/]

Edited by: Dinesh Selvaraj on May 13, 2009 11:30 AM

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Who wants to predict the future of Formula1 Racing?

Will there be a rebel F1 Championship next summer?

Will FIA bow down to FOTA?

Will F1 sport be the ultimate winner?

Place your bets here....

pk

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Is it just me or anyone else think that the whole season is been plain boring?...

Also hoping that they manage to fix the row tomorrow because the fight between FIA and FOTA is just simply stupid... I think FIA should allow flexibility next year to implement the cost saving initiatives and introduce the budget cap in 2011.

Regards

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I agree with you Juan. Its been quite a boring season this time around.

But i had fun watching two things:

1. The fight between Hamilton and Alonso. These guys were trying to overtake each other but not for the top positions.. They were in 14th and 15th position when they were trying this.. And it was only a miracle which saved them from crashing into each other.

2. The lesser known drivers from previous years like Vettel and Webber are lapping the champions like Hamilton, Alonso, Kimi etc.. They are always running one lap behind these new age drivers.

And this has clearly shown that Mclaren, Ferrari (except Schumacher) and Renault had better cars. Cant say the same about the drivers.

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This season has been one of the most disappointing seasons so far..

Hopefully the row is sorted at the earliest, else it will be a great loss for the fans and the sport.

Regards,

Gaurav

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Some relief ?

[F1 soother|http://formula-1.updatesport.com/news/article/1245918279/formula_one/F1headlines/Peace-in-F1--more-details/view.html]

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Atleast till 2012 there will be a single championship.

This is a great news. But don't know how the budget cuts will affect the races, as the budgets will be bought down to 1990 level.

Regards,

Gaurav

Edited by: Gaurav Kothari on Jun 25, 2009 2:45 PM

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Yes Indeed!! Thats some relief.

And yes, I gotta admit that this F1 season is not that interesting. I personally love to see underdogs in any sport take the upper hand and ruffle a few feathers, but still its hard to see erst-while champions like Hamilton, Kimi, Massa, Alonso languishing at the bottom of the table for this long.

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Aside from the top spots going to Brawn a bit too often, this has been one of the most interesting seasons in a long time. It's great to see all the teams scrambling to make the cars better race after race. KERS has added a new twist to the passing equation, along with the new aerodynamics.

It's less boring than when Schumacher was winning every race - unless of course if you were a schumacher fan. This season has also shown that Hamilton can't help the team with car development.

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KERS has added a new twist to the passing equation

KERS was scraped by all teams now... if i remember correctly they said something like "Expensive mistake"

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I agree. A heavy mistake. Kubica couldn't lose enough weight to get it into his car.

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What does Kimi Raikonnen have against Adrain Sutil? I just dont get it!! I mean...seriously!!!! This is the second time that he's denying Sutil Championship points.

pk

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I have to agree... by now Force India should have a few well deserved points.

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1st and 2nd Friday Free Practice... McLaren on top, Seems like we could be enjoying a better performance during this weekend for a change... Hamilton was doing very well in Nürburgring before the puncture he got in the first corner.

Also looking forward to see Jaime Alguersuari in the Toro Rosso

Regards

Juan

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Hamilton made it this time. He was almost dancing after his win ....

Go Lewis go................:-)

Good to see him back on top.

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> I felt bad for Felipe Massa. He was driving so very well

Yep.I felt bad as well but for the different reasons

Bad luck again for Massa. A loosing part of another car hit Massa in the Helmet that causes him out of the tire-line. Nevertheless Brazilian staff said there was life-threatening injury but these are signs of satisfactory improvement in Him.

Cheers

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> A loosing part of another car hit Massa in the Helmet that causes him out of the tire-line. Nevertheless Brazilian staff said there was life-threatening injury but these are signs of satisfactory improvement in Him.

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That other car was of Barrichello.

Unfortunate for Massa.Hope he recovers soon from his skull injury.

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Schumi back in F1.

http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/racing/f1/columns/story?columnist=blount_terry&id=4364342

Hope to see Ferrari do good atleast now.

Regards,

Gaurav

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One crash, one comeback-win, one come-back-from-retirement and suddenly the 2009 season has sprung to life!!!

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BMW is pulling out from races next season.Thats not good news both for race and for BMW.

And yes I want to see Schumi and Hamilton fight it out

By the way does Schumi knows how to use KERS ?

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Hope he does..

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> And yes I want to see Schumi and Hamilton fight it out

Huh....The Breaking news is that [ Schumacher calls off comeback|http://www.espnstar.com/motorsport/f1/news/detail/item305356/Breaking-News:-Schumacher-calls-off-comeback/]. ,Ferrari should appoint me as their next driver to keep their presence in F1 After Massa and Schumi

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>Ferrari should appoint me as their next driver to keep their presence in F1

No,they have enough people for that.

May be you need to do some ABAP coding for Ferrari to improve their performance ....:-)

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> May be you need to do some ABAP coding for Ferrari to improve their performance ....:-)

Yes, we are working for Ferrari and weu2019re technology partner of Ferrari [since 2004|http://www.hinduonnet.com/2004/12/07/stories/2004120704861800.htm] and providing high-class support to them.Therefore Ferrari have decided and will be carrying the [logo|http://www.tcs.com/news_events/tcs_news/Pages/Ferrari-F1-team-to-sport-TCS-logo.aspx] of us in 2009 F1 season.

But the mania is the work is available in Oracle and J2EE no scope for ABAP therefore there is no possibility for me as well ;-). I do believe we have many guys who are capable enough who will do the job for them!

Cheers

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>I do believe we have many guys who are capable enough who will do the job for them!

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> Cheers

I didnot mean that.

I was thinking something like improving Car performance.

I saw a video of Demojam (teched) where they were talking of detecting chemical leak flaws using SAP.Unfortunately I saw only preview on youtube of it.

May be you can do something similar to that ?

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> I saw a video of Demojam (teched) where they were talking of detecting chemical leak flaws using SAP.

I agree. But that's the proposed plan of Ferrari, yet they havenu2019t implement detecting chemical leak flaws with SAP. And that's Headache of Sales Management person's to bid for this before the work comes to us

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Force India finally makes it!!! And that too a Podium Finish? Man... this is serious stuff!!! Too bad I missed the race though

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Same as other India F1 followers was expecting Force India to grab a single point. Much delighted with the 2nd position.

I believe this could be the historic moment which turned many followers into fans in India.

Cheers Force India!!!

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>Too bad I missed the race though

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If you did watch the race you would have seen Force India was supposed to be First.

It was just a matter of KERs button which Kimmi had and Fischella didn't, yet the difference between them was less than a second.

Nice finish.

Was disappointed with Lewis Hamilton crash though it was not his fault.

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So I read.

Yesterday when I heard that Fisi had Pole Position, all I prayed for was for him to not crash and for the engine to sit tight. Points were assured.

Thank Goodness it was not Sutil, otherwise he would have crashed... with a little bit of help from Kimi

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Ha ha that would have been the spoiler for the n'th time

But Sutil did ruin Alonso's chance, it was other way this time.

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India Formula 1 track construction to start in October... first race in 2011.

http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2009/09/02/ecclestone-expects-indian-f1-race-in-2011/

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Juan

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Wow thats great news.

But still long time to go.I think by then Hamilton may retire from F1 and join "Pussy cat dolls"

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..Fisi opted out from Force India & joins Ferrari..its a big blow for Force India but Mallya was generous & good enough to leave him go without any Financial settlement hope its a re.ward for his podium finish.

Fisi's act of chucking out of Force India even before the celebration fade is against sportsmanship..

~Andrew

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Or May be its Fisi's parting gift to Mallya

Either way, the talks between Ferrari and Fisi started after Schumi backed out. So its not really out of the blue. Looks like they have to recall Vitantonio Liuzzi for the next race.

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> Fisi's act of chucking out of Force India even before the celebration fade is against sportsmanship..

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> ~Andrew

Ya I agree, money rules isn't it?

And yes the talks were on before he won, but wasn't it still his decision ? Anywayz who's next for force India ? Hopefully someone more dynamic than Fisi

How about Hamilton ?

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> money rules isn't it?

Yup, I agree but to some extant, Not at all times.

That was Mallya's greatness who released him with immediate effect. Otherwise you cannot sign a new contract unless you released from your past contract. If you sign a new contract with another motorcar then your past contractor can claim that they yet not released him. This will consider under serious breaching of the contract and you might ban for signing a new driver for certain period of time.

I guess, using the Ferrari Engine in force India put Mallya into losing side and because of courtesy he tempted to release fisi?

The Same goes with [Chelsea|http://www.espnstar.com/football/premier-league/news/detail/item317721/Chelsea-hammered-by-FIFA-ban/].

@ Nick : I don't think it particularly fair to accuse Fisi of not being a sportsman and chasing the money.

I completely agree.

Cheers

Edited by: Amit Gujargoud on Sep 4, 2009 10:40 AM

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Well, there you said it.. 'radically-revised regulations' -- it's a matter of time to see which team adapts quickly (or recover) and get on the boards.

Stunning finish for McLaren but I'm still and always will a Ferrari fan. The no-podium (even point finish) of Ferrari hopefully would not happen again.

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I will hope to see something different but for sure Brawn will be taken back some positions because the claim from other "big" teams always eat the small teams, I hope not to happen but after watching and following so many seasons I doubt this year things will be different in this desitions from Bernie and his group.

F1 in the last years has become boring to me, always the same teams wins or finished in the first positions with some exceptions and I really hope this year will be totally different and altough I am a MB/McLaren fan, the necesity for a change is evident and hopefully this new rules will make the competition more even.

About Ferrari not finishing, it is not usuall but for sure for the next race the difference in the car will be obvious, I remember that happening a few years ago because of a fuel pump problem in both cars, they found the problem was on materials used, fixed and at the next race they were flying around the track so I think for the next race this season Ferrari will finish in good positions or probably win the race.

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a slow McLauren car

It(Hamilton) was 3rd, though it started at 15th position.Slow ??

But ya it was some luck due to that last few laps crash between Kubica and Vettel (such a pity).

Brawn,Red Bull and BMW seems to be good this season.

But in looks its "Force India", something which Mallya is always good at maintaining.

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I agree.

The McLaren was not slow by any means; I believe Hamilton started 18th after a gearbox problem demoted him with only the 2 Toyota's starting from the pits behind him. He did some fantastic overtaking moves too...

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Well... seems like its going to be a wet race in Malaysia which could make the race very interesting!

http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2009/03/31/malaysia-rain-threat-worrying-drivers/

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It(Hamilton) was 3rd, though it started at 15th position.Slow?

Pre-Melbourne-practice-sessions McLauren had admitted their cars were slower this time round. So I guess they managed to fix it a bit plus you gotta give credit to Hamilton. He's definately not a one-race or on-championship wonder!!! He's got all the moves.

F1 in the last years has become boring to me..

You cant be saying the same about the 2007 Championship, where it could have have gone either of three ways on the very last race of the season.

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He's definately not a one-race or on-championship wonder!!! He's got all the moves.

Thats true.

Have you seen a video where Hamilton uses his mobile to drive his F1 car.

Awesome!!!.

May be future of F1 will be this.

Its available on youtube.

P.S: Unfortunately I can't access youtube from my workplace else would have placed the link.

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thats an Ad for the Blackberry Storm isn't it??

i wonder if he uses that to drive his mean machine...

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No I don't think so.

As its not blackberry.

Check out the link:

[Lewis Hamilton|http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiLoANg6nNY]

Not sure how far its true.

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McLaren disqualified in Australia... I certainly don't agree with this desicion

http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2009/04/02/mclaren-disqualified-from-australian-grand-prix/

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Oh dear..

I was beginning to celebrate, before I read the last sentence:

The governing body has also lifted Trulli's penalty, which places the Toyota driver back into the third position he originally achieved in Australia.

That would effectively mean Force India still is point-less.... for now

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McLaren disqualified!!!

Hope it was taken after full scrutiny.

That would effectively mean Force India still is point-less.... for now

When was Force India under points tally ? 10th position gets no points.

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Force India initially finished 10 and 12. Jarno Trulli getting penalised 25 secs meant FI finished 9 and 11. You need to finish at least 8th to get a point.

Now with Hamilton disqualified and Trulli, regaining his initial 3rd spot means, it leaves FI at 9 and 11...

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> Well... seems like its going to be a wet race in Malaysia which could make the race very interesting!

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> http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2009/03/31/malaysia-rain-threat-worrying-drivers/

Its a twilight race too.

I am expecting atleast 5 cars to crash if it rained .............lolz

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Good news for Ferrari fans

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I don´t know why I'm not surprised for the desition against McLaren.... HO Yeah ... I remember now,,, this is usual since some years ago.. haven´t you seem before that almost all desitions benefits Ferrari?? I have nothing against them (Ferrari) but that´s usuall now, Ferrari claims, Ferrari wins, McLaren claims, Ferrari wins 😄

Let´s see what happens this year, I hope some other team will be winning this years F1 championship.

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Couldn't agree with you more!!!!

Over the last 7-8 years FIA seems to more pro-Ferrari. Which is also one of the reasons why Im not too keen on them taking the Championship. I know they have good cars and had the best driver in Schmui and all, but somehow I cant really enjoy their success.

I wonder whats gone wrong with the Renault machine and Alsono?

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Jenson Button won a shortened 31 lap Malaysian Grand Prix from Nick Heidfeld and Timo Glock on a day when heavy rain forced the race to be halted well ahead of the scheduled 56 laps. Monsoon rains are common-place late in the afternoon and it was therefore of little surprise that the weather created problems and much confusion for the Formula One circus.

J.BUTTON - 5

N.HIEDFELD - 4

T.GLOCK - 3

J.TRULLI - 2.5

Edited by: Dinesh Selvaraj on Apr 6, 2009 10:00 AM

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> Good news for Ferrari fans

AFAIK Ferrari is supposed to be best strategy atleast untill 2008.

They diminished Kimi's chances to be atleast in points.Did they think much too ahead ?

And as far as the race went, I was wondering when will the F1 cars start floating............:-) Then it would have been a F1 Boating race........:-P

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You or I cant tell anything.But If luck is there with Ferrari then you or I or brawn or mercedes cant stop them.

How much Button and rubens are lucky.They lost their job with honda and they almost felt that they are not driving for 2009 season.But luck doesn't allow them to do so.Brawn came in and Button won two races.

Thats what life is all about luck.;-)

P.S: If F1 Boating is there then Ferrari will definitetly win.I hate thats why people having luck i have seen many but thats the way it goes as i don,t have it.;-(

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Ok, McLaren and Ferrari did not have any chance during this race again, this is something I wanted to see some time ago, but as I mentioned before, I just hope that FIA won´t come with some rule interpretation taken from behind the table to take Brawn and Toyota points off and create two teams with unbalanced cars.

If you saw the entire race you could see that Brawn cars using a Mercedes engine without Kers where faster during straight lines than some other cars with Kers but they were not able to pass because the Kers was a Great power booster and when they tried to pass, Kers enter in action and the difference was noticeable so to me this season is more fair, high end teams has the money for Kers development and they have that advantage, small teams have more grip because they focussed on chasis to be competitive so all have their advantages and disadvantages. Probably that´s why big teams have their claim against small teams because they are used to win but this year they will have to work harder than before.

Ferrari did took his chance when they changed tires for heavy rain too early during the race and they loose their oportunities, they can´t blame nobody but themselves for that desition and Kimi's face after Red flag said it all, he looked really disapointed as Masa.

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When I knew Sunday, that I was gonna miss the race, I was upset. But I think Im glad I missed.

Big goof-up up by FIA. Started the race late so that it would be prime-time for European audiences???

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> I don´t know why I'm not surprised for the desition against McLaren.... HO Yeah ... I remember now,,, this is usual since some years ago.. haven´t you seem before that almost all desitions benefits Ferrari?? I have nothing against them (Ferrari) but that´s usuall now, Ferrari claims, Ferrari wins, McLaren claims, Ferrari wins :-D

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> Let´s see what happens this year, I hope some other team will be winning this years F1 championship.

Oh come on.. mclaren and hamilton were caught lying red handed.. don't blame ferrari for this

this year only renault were allowed to improve their engines.. now something tells me that if it was ferrari that was allowed, everyone would have cried foul.. as long as it isnt ferrari.. no one mentions anything

ever noticed.. that whenever ferrari totally dominated a season.. rules were changed bigtime for the next season.. such as the points change from 10 6 4 3 2 1 to 10 8 6 5 4 3 2 1

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Kris, I don´t blame Ferrari at all, is the FIA that I think is too pro Ferrari. They have changed rules because they have being loosing audience because of the Ferrari/McLaren wining all the time, not because Ferrari won most races, and that´s a public knowledge.

I only hope the reunion in this following days won´t come with a nasty surprise.

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Honda sold F1 Team to Ross Brawn for 1 Pound??

Well at least thats what the newspapers say today!!!

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The results earned by Brawn, Williams, and Toyota are provisional, pending an upcoming appeal against a ruling on the legality of the teams' diffuser design...

Ferrari's didn't finish

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Yeah... I did find the logo-less sponsor-less plain-white-with-a-pista-outline Brawns' pretty ugly.

The diffuser designs of the Brawn could play a crucial role in the coming races. And if the appeal goes against Brawn, then Force India are surely gonna pick up a couple of points

When was the last time Ferrari's failed to finish? Im actually bored of the Ferrari domination in F1. Its time for a few fresh faces on the podium.

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Yeah... I did find the logo-less sponsor-less plain-white-with-a-pista-outline Brawns' pretty ugly.

Completely Agree... I bet there be lots of new sponsors after the 1-2... Also seems like Richard Branson (Virgin) is planning to put some more money into Brawn GP... interesting!

As a F1 fanatic I'm actually more excited about the 2010 sesson, seems like theres going to be quite a few new teams... be nice to see more than 20 cars again.

Juan

PS: I use to love watching JP Montoya on those good Williams days... that guy didn't knew where the brakes were....

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Well, its kinda surprising that Branson did not buy the team. But the interviews he gave justifying his decision, did make sense though...

The idea of writing out tens of millions of dollars for a sponsorship is just something that Virgin hasn't done in the past or needed to do .... but at the right value then it makes sense.

Before Brawn decided to take up Honda, Bernie even thought abt having 3 cars per team to fill up the pits. Can you imagine that?

Juan Pablo Montoya didn't know where the brakes where... but does Juan Reyes know his?

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but does Juan Reyes know his?

Yeah... and my wife remind me about them every morning...

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Hi,

>So, whats your take on the new F1 season?

It may become an interesting season but I really find the new cars ugly with the huge front wing and the tiny high rear wing !

Olivier

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