End To End Cycle time required wrt. Emperical Benifits

[Former Member]

Hi All,

W.R.T. to following tangible benefits from an ERP systems, in your opinion do you think that we can complete the implementation cycle in 4 weeks?

Empirical or Tangible Benefits from ERP System

1>Inventory Reduction

2>Productivity Improvement

3>Order Management Improvement

4>Financial Close Cycle time Reduction

5>IT Cost Reduction

6>Procurement Cost Reduction

7>Cash Management Improvement

8>Revenue / Profit Increase

9>Transpiration / Logistics Cost Reductions

10>Maintenance Cost Reduction

11>On-time Delivery

And if somebody can suggest more tangible benefits in terms clients bottom-line he / she is welcome to join the discussion?

Regards,

Umesh Shinde

[Former Member]

4 weeks to implement an ERP system? You must be kidding...

PS. Cross-posting like you did is a sin.

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Pascal Willemsen

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Pascal Willemsen

[Former Member]

> PS. Cross-posting like you did

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And he still didn't get it in the right forum!

We may have a confusion of terminology here between 'implement' and 'install'? I've often wondered how fast it could be done if you chose to run with the preinstalled settings.

[KjetilKilhavn]

Which pre-installed settings? I'm aware there are pre-installed settings many places, but I think it would be (very close to) a lie to say that SAP can be installed and used "out of the box". It depends on how much of SAP you want to use of course. I'm sure the ABAP editor works out of the box, and that's all I care about

[Former Member]

> Which pre-installed settings? I'm aware there are

> pre-installed settings many places, but I think it

> would be (very close to) a lie to say that SAP can be

> installed and used "out of the box".

Then you'd be wrong. For SD at least there's a full range of order types, delivery types, billing documents, item categories and the like - and the flow between them. Also pricing. I'm guessing it's the same on other modules too. If you go on an SAP course (perhaps you should, after learning some manners), this is the point you start from.

There isn't much (if any) master data, but that's not 'settings' which most would understand as meaning customising.

[Former Member]

I don't think the Feds are ever going to warm up to the pre-canned pricing concept either...

[Former Member]

On second thoughts, it would be a great incentive to get everybody up onto the same release and SP level, by hardcoding all industry-specific pricing into the kernel and making it downward-incompatable.

That would also eliminate many confusing questions and irrelevant answers here at SDN.

[KjetilKilhavn]

Now I'm asking because I don't know: can you install SAP and use SD without configuring anything but the obvious (your company name, address, and bank account number) - and of course providing Master Data? If you just want a simple one-company, one-plant, one-sales organization setup, can you just install, provide the above, and start billing? Perhaps it is just the areas I have worked in that has led me to think that SAP has no defaults in many areas.

PS: I already went to the "smiling course" - many, many years ago. What a waste...

PPS: Manners are severely overrated, in my opinion. There's a long way between being rude and being servile. But servility rules the world, because expertise in the areas of nodding, tail-wagging, not to say brown-nosing, are considered more important than real knowledge about the subject matter. It is strange that serious incompetence is tolerated almost without discussion, but not a single uttering that in their (your) own opinion is meant rude or sarcastic. Talk about truth, openness to criticism etc too often are just talk - in reality, when criticism strikes the sore points, truthfulness is much less valued than servility.

PPS: A person who may appear to be hung up on criticizing spelling mistakes in an forum where the majority of the users don't have English as their first language, should perhaps not be so quick to criticize others for having poor manners. But don't worry, you are not the first and will not be the last. Sometimes I cross the line, but I come as a package; knowledge, personality and everything else. You can't rent only the knowledge.

[Former Member]

My, you do have an amazing talent for fitting very little content into a large number of words.

Re: the manners thing. Your argument is a false dichotomy. There's a middle ground between brown-nosing and calling someone a liar - which is what you did to me.

And the answer to your question is yes. Do you think there'd be time on a one week course such as TSCM64 to do everything from scratch? If you see condition types, sales order types etc etc not beginning with a Y or Z then those were in the sytem to start with. The scenarios described in the excellent book by Glynn Williams are based on them.

And try not to mix topics between threads, it's very confusing for other people. It's almost a kind of stalking.

[KjetilKilhavn]

> Re: the manners thing. Your argument is a false dichotomy. There's a middle ground between brown-nosing and calling someone a liar - which is what you did to me.

>

Ahh, so that's why you are so upset! Well, if it is any comfort at all I didn't for a second think about you when I wrote that saying SAP could just be installed and run is close to a lie. I didn't think about any individual. The intention was to point to the fact that while you can take office software and a lot of other software and be productive within an hour after installation, this is not possible with SAP (in particular) and ERP software in general, contrary to some IT Directors' beliefs. It was not the intention to call anyone a liar.

And yes, you are right about me having often using too many words. But then again, too many threads are under-explained. Was there any other comments about me you would like to add before we leave this thread to sink further down the list?