on 2010 Jun 23 4:37 AM
Was slightly amused to find today several ISPs in the list of most contributing companies.
What amused me was that I thought that they didn't use SAP. So I had a drill into the users supposedly coming from those companies.
MSM.com getting a great reputation - 55th top contributing company in the year to date.
Yahoo mail - ymail.com seems to be doing quite well... along with yahoo.com.cn and yahoo.com.ar
closely followed by BTOpenworld.com
Now what is further amusing is that the "members" of these companies do not represent them they just use them for their email addresses!
Perhaps it would be an idea to put some filters on these ISP/email provider type address so that they don't show up in the top companies list?
Request clarification before answering.
You are right Chris. We do have some filters in place so what we need to do here is update the list of domains to be excluded. I'm taking this up to the team.
Thanks!
Laure
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Of course Mahesh that's how I understood it as well It's good to know you can rely on the community to remind you!
By the way, I wanted to ask if you know, at the top of your head, which domains you had noticed? Because the list is long I may have missed some of them. Let me know!
All the best,
Laure
Edited by: Laure Cetin on Sep 17, 2010 11:27 PM
How about releasing them all and if someone from the domain is guestified, then all ponits to that domain are subtracted for all users for the past week or months?
That will get rid of a lot of noise and cure many of the problems at the root-cause level.
For example, managers that motivate their employees on the bench to spam SDN regardless of the content and gurus who should be "mentoring" juniors, will take more care - regardless of the domain name. The ISPs won't last long nor get anywhere.
The primary problem with moderation is the gmail type accounts. We have moderator tools to map these to repeat offenders. We can trace these quite easily back to the source when it becomes a pest. If we lob all the ponits off a company because one of their freshers spammed SDN with interview questions again and again despite warnings, then they will take action.
The ISP's are not the problem. Also consider that they might change their domain later on (for example shortly before the kindergarten year closes and SAP hands out the lucky packets to the gurus ...).
It would be very usefull for moderators if we could put some bricks in their school bags....
Cheers,
Julius
Julius,
what a good idea - certainly those companies who are spamming SCN (or encouraging their employees to do so by their policies) should be penalised as a whole if one of their users gets guestified perhaps the application of the same number of points that the user had prior to guestification but as a negative number, with, perhaps, an additional 500 pinots removed for the costs associated with the running and maintenance of the [guestificator|http://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/scn/weblogs?blog=/pub/wlg/15149] [original link is broken] [original link is broken] [original link is broken]; Also to be able to see in the list of contributors for the company the number of Guest users and the toll this is taking on the company's SCN ranking.
I would hope this would then encourage more responsible internal policies for companies on SCN usage.
The ranking of my company within SCN is something that I use internally to help convince staff to contribute and also one of the things I use to convince managers to give permission to employees to contribute. Penalising those companies that are abusing the system would be a good step forward and making the playing field a little more level.
It's a good idea - would you mind if I "stole it" to put it into Idea Place?
Thanks,
Chris
It's a good idea - would you mind if I "stole it" to put it into Idea Place?
Hello Chris,
I know my ideas are not that brilliant, but if you would like to steal any of them for idea place, you´re free to go.
I feel a little embraced I shouted to get the IP as soon as possible and now don´t have time to really use it.
I remember some SAP guys saying something about not pushing Idea place much before it gets "improved" here and there (it was mainly because of the SSO issue, I think) and still wait for the rage of users which is not coming (or am I missing something?).
What are your feelings about the current state of IP, friends?
Regards Otto
Otto's answer is mine as well
I like the additional idea of yours that if ponitz is going to be some sort of pseudo-currency then we might as well use it to fine people and the domains which are neglecting their social responsibility toward SDN by keeping them on track. So, a 500 ponit "handling fee" seems appropriate and an anonymized total number of Guests per domain so that one can see which companies are noisy quantity and which ones are guru quality.
Showing per company domain how many guestifications were done in the past year could also become some sort of a contest to minimize damages - much healthier than a contest to race at all costs for max ponitz.
Cheers,
Julius
I'd have to check with David if there was any way of tracing back the guestification process to create such a report of "top negative contributors". (I'm afraid I rather doubt there is though) Conversing with managements that foster the kind of behaviour you all abhor and having the glaring documentation of that negative contribution would be fairly potent deterrent.
On a more positive note, I remember fondly seeing Bhanu Gupta's company Molex coming up as a top company by virtue of her almost single-handed participation. This was true for some notable others as well who raised their own company's profile on SCN because of their amazing individual contribution. Does it mean that those should be discounted as well from Top Companies because of the unique participation of individuals?
> Does it mean that those should be discounted as well from Top Companies because of the unique participation of individuals?
Absolutely not! If an individual has their own domain they should be very proud to take it right to the top.
NB in the current list (well it was a few days ago - list not working right now tdt.com.au Tony de Thomasis - one of the two Australia SAP Mentors. Interestingly he hadn't switched it to the company he now works for... But I'd be very happy for exceptional people like him to be listed up there all by themselves.
I've added the Idea - hope that somehow there is some technical feasibility to this - as it does seem to be a winning idea from Julius!
[Idea Place - Top Contributing Companies - Making them responsible|https://ideas.sap.com/ideas/1281]
Chris
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