Spec types allowed for DG filling

[former_member399264]

Is Filling a Dangerous Goods master restricted to only Spec.Type REAL_SUB?

I need to separate Regulated Toxic Substances (Asbestos, PCBs, Mercury) from Hazardous (Real_Subs) substances for tracking and reporting

The toxic substances are contained as in parts within non-hazardous equipment eg. PCBs in old transformers, asbestos in brake pads on a vehicle.

I was planning on creating a Substance Spec Type "TOXIC_SUB" and using these specs as the Compositons for Spec Type MAT_PART. Assign the Material Master for the part to MAT_PART Spec, then build my tracking and reporting through Equipment BOMs

However, when we ship the equipment it now becomes a Dangerous Good. Does the substance have to be a REAL_SUB?

[satya11719 · Accepted solution]

Hello John Wootton,

Now you are using MAT_PART as a real substance , and you can perform the DG filling either material or real substance,

you can perform the DG filling with material assigned to MAT_PART, which will be your REAL_SUB.

Within the specification workbench in the EH&S - Basic Data and Tools component, we can classify materials and assign them to an identification number (UN, ID, or NA number) and the corresponding legal data according to the dangerous goods regulation.

Dangerous goods information that refers to regulations, such as identification number (for example, UN number), dangerous goods description (for example, proper shipping name), dangerous goods class, hazard item number, and packaging information, by assigning this information to a UN-listed substance etc.

Using the filling process we can transfer the dangerous goods basic data that created and edited in specification management to the dangerous goods master within an SAP system. We can then transport this data using the distribution process to other SAP systems also.

Ref:SAP

I hope it clarifies.

Thanks

Satya

[former_member399264 · Accepted solution]

Thank you very much.

This answered my question and your diagram taught me something new, that I could fill a DGM without a real substance. I'm learning this by following the library and configuring/testing in a sandbox. The Library isn't always clear or detailed.

[christoph_bergemann]

Hello

small feedback regarding your plan:

> My plan is to integrate EH&S with the functions of SAP MM and SAP PM. => in your case a good approach
>> Build/Import a Spec library of Toxic Ingredients => here you need to pay a "little bit" attention. From EHS perspective. the "Spec type" has (in most case) no "technical meaning". It is more a "business vehicle". Example: let us assume your toxic ingredient is "toluene". Then you could use as Spec Type "PURE_SUB" or "LIST_SUB". To "explain" that an "component" has a "role" in the product can be done like:

1.) you define a property of type composition there you maintain the data.

Example: you have a material number "X" (which you use in SAP MM and SAP PM). This material number will be assigned to a REAL_SUB; then e.g. by using some of the SAP standard properties you "list" your "toluene" (e.g like product contains 10 % toluene); here you have so many option to handle this in EHS therefore it is yoru descision what is the "best"

2.) then you can describe the "role" of "toluene". For thsi you would normally use the "component type". The component type could be "Impuriy", "Active Ingredient" etc. But it could state as well "Toxic Ingredient" => once again: it is your decision what is the best
>>> Create Specifications for the Toxic Parts > assign the Tox ingredients as compositions where we can record the concentration ==> refer to my story above
>>>> the Tox Part Specification is assigned to it's Material Master ==> refer to my story above

>>>>> This automatically links the Tox Part specification to the Equipment through the PM Equipment BOMs. ==> refer to my story above

>>>>>> Getting the location will come from the Function location the Equipment is installed to => perfect
>>>>>>> Now I can make use of standard Specification Info sytem, Equipment and Material reports. lists. Plus develop BI/BW reports that would allow Top down searches, Func Locations to Equipment to parts to substances or vice versa, substance to all parts to all equipment. => correct

As I also have to track consumable Hazardous products (IN a bottle on the shelf items) that have a "toxic" ingredient, solvents, paint that are used to maintain the specific piece of Equipment but are not Equipment BOM items, I am considering adding a new Tab page to the Specification header with a function that would allow us to assign the Hazardous Product Specifications to an Equipment numbe as well as its owm Material number on the MatAssignment tab

I understood the BOMBOS process to be for the creating MSDS's, the bill of material for the ingredients within a Hazardous product.

==> BOMBOS: you need to pay attention here, In the "big" world we have two approaches how to use "EHS"; the use depends mainly on your "business"; e.g. if you are doing only ! mixing /with out any chemical reaction): BOMBOS will help

for BOMBOS: we have two blogs here and lot of threads discussing the "BOMBOS" interface

So overall: I believe you have a good blue print to start with

C.B.

[christoph_bergemann]

Dear John

on context of

"I need to separate Regulated Toxic Substances (Asbestos, PCBs, Mercury) from Hazardous (Real_Subs) substances for tracking and reporting

The toxic substances are contained as in parts within non-hazardous equipment eg. PCBs in old transformers, asbestos in brake pads on a vehicle.

I was planning on creating a Substance Spec Type "TOXIC_SUB" and using these specs as the Compositons for Spec Type MAT_PART. Assign the Material Master for the part to MAT_PART Spec, then build my tracking and reporting through Equipment BOMs

However, when we ship the equipment it now becomes a Dangerous Good. Does the substance have to be a REAL_SUB?"

We need more information to may be help you.

What is your definition if you write this:

"I need to separate Regulated Toxic Substances (Asbestos, PCBs, Mercury) from Hazardous (Real_Subs) substances for tracking and reporting" =)> what kind of "tracking" and/or "reporting" do you refer to?

In context of:

The toxic substances are contained as in parts within non-hazardous equipment eg. PCBs in old transformers, asbestos in brake pads on a vehicle.

=> my story would be: the "brake pads" are defined may be as a "material number". This material number is assigned to REAL_SUB; this REAL_SUB does have "compositions"

The composition lists the "chemistry" (e.g. CAS number) and content of the CAS number (e.g. by use of CAS number of Asbestos)

Therefore:

was planning on creating a Substance Spec Type "TOXIC_SUB" and using these specs as the Compositons for Spec Type MAT_PART. Assign the Material Master for the part to MAT_PART Spec, then build my tracking and reporting through Equipment BOMs

==> there is no need to generate a "TOXIC_SUB"; just use a REAL_SUB

Same for "MAT_PART": these are more "speaking" names (i know) but normally you would use PURE_SUB/LIST_SUB in combination with REAL_SUB; there is no added value" if you use "MAT_PART" etc. (from my point of view)

Regarding:

However, when we ship the equipment it now becomes a Dangerous Good. Does the substance have to be a REAL_SUB?"

There is no ABAP code existing which "forces" you to use "REAL_SUB"; anything you "define" in EHS follows (in most cases) the "best practise"

The normal EHS story is therefore:

You have a REAL_SUB linked to a "FERT" material. the "REAL_SUB" has a "composition" (in most cases) using "PURE_SUB" (referencing LIST_SUB); using on top the "DG classification" you add additional data to the REAL_SUB and then you can use all the data to create the DG Master"

This DG master data is then used in SAP SD process (e.g. check if transport is allowed)

I propose: PLEASE read the blog "SAP EHS MANAGEMENT FOR BEGINNERS". You wlll find huge amount to links discussing all these "stories" to a certain extent: BUT EHS IS FLEXIBLE. YOU CAN CLEARLY DEFINE A TOTAL DIFFERENT SET UP (in comparison to SAP Best Practise)

C.B.

PS: regarding your story "Equipment BOM" PAY attention here. Don't mix "BOM" and what is called BOS

If needed: we have two blogs existing here which discuss the so called" BOMBOS" interface

Keep in mind: The BOM is used in SAP PP. The "equiptment" BOM (in your case) define the "vehicle" set up. As a part of this is normally defined as a material number. The whole BOM story is used in SAP MM and SAP PP.

The BOM components (e.g. brake pads) are either bought (here you need SAP MM) or produced by your own etc.

If you are linked to an industry like "automobile": then the use of the "BOMBOS" interface is a good idea to support the EHS processes

[former_member399264]

Thank you for your time and efforts in making these detailed replies it is greatly appreciated
I have read the mentioned blog for Beginners, I have read most of all the BLOGs, they are very useful.

A little background
Our client is not a producer of Chemicals. We purchase and use Hazardous products. We also have Manufactured Equipment (trucks, planes, engines, transformers) and Spare Parts that in themselves are not a Hazardous product but contain a hazardous substance.

The Client is in Canada and falls under the regulations of the Canadian Environmental Protection Agency. CEPA has a list of approx 150 substnces (ingredients) it has declared "Toxic". Here is their definition.
"A substance is toxic if it is entering or may enter the environment in a quantity or concentration or under conditions that:
a.have or may have an immediate or long-term harmful effect on the environment or its biological diversity;
b.constitute or may constitute a danger to the environment on which life depends; or
c.constitute or may constitute a danger in Canada to human life or health."
I like how Human life is third on the list.:)

Of these 150, 27 have been Prohibited from manufacture, use, sale, offer for sale or import in Canada. However there are grandfather clauses that allow the continued use until replacements are found
As the agency reviews Hazardous substances the may get added to the "Toxic List". Same with the Prohibited Toxic list.

This is why I have been considering new Spec types, I need to separate Hazardous substances from those that have been declared "Toxic" by CEPA, as we will also be building a Library of "normal" Hazardous substances / products; products that would have a Ssfety Data Sheet. I also have to consider that Hazardous product that contain "Toxic" substances. Separating Toxic sub from Hazardous/REAL_SUB also allows me to assign the CAS identifiers to Regulatory body CEPA for them only to assist in searching/reporting

Now, here is my feedback to your question

What is your definition if you write this: "I need to separate Regulated Toxic Substances (Asbestos, PCBs, Mercury) from Hazardous (Real_Subs) substances for tracking and reporting" =)> what kind of "tracking" and/or "reporting" do you refer to?

> First the solution will be for both Prohibited and non-prohibted toxic substances as substances can get re-classified so best to have the data in place.
> CEPA requires us to report on all Prohibited Toxic substances in use, its location and concentration of the substance present.
> Majority of our Prohbited substances are not "in a bottle on the shelf" but are contained within parts on Equipment.Asbestos in Brake Pads, Fire barriers in a truck, Lead in the paint on the truck.
> We need to report on each piece of Equipment that contains a part or parts that contain a toxic substance, the concentration of the substance and where the equipment is.
> My plan is to integrate EH&S with the functions of SAP MM and SAP PM.
>> Build/Import a Spec library of Toxic Ingredients
>>> Create Specifications for the Toxic Parts > assign the Tox ingredients as compositions where we can record the concentration
>>>> the Tox Part Specification is assigned to it's Material Master
>>>>> This automatically links the Tox Part specification to the Equipment through the PM Equipment BOMs.
>>>>>> Getting the location will come from the Function location the Equipment is installed to
>>>>>>> Now I can make use of standard Specification Info sytem, Equipment and Material reports. lists. Plus develop BI/BW reports that would allow Top down searches, Func Locations to Equipment to parts to substances or vice versa, substance to all parts to all equipment.

As I also have to track consumable Hazardous products (IN a bottle on the shelf items) that have a "toxic" ingredient, solvents, paint that are used to maintain the specific piece of Equipment but are not Equipment BOM items, I am considering adding a new Tab page to the Specification header with a function that would allow us to assign the Hazardous Product Specifications to an Equipment numbe as well as its owm Material number on the MatAssignment tab

I understood the BOMBOS process to be for the creating MSDS's, the bill of material for the ingredients within a Hazardous product.

[christoph_bergemann]

Dear John

sorry. You misinterpret to a certain extent the picture provided by Satya.

Regarding "that I could fill a DGM without a real substance".. this is not a "good" definition.

In theory neiter you need 1. or 2. or 3. or 4 of the picture. You can "direct" prepare the DG Master

THis is e.g. needed because of "ALE" part. So the list of options should include a "5". The picture of Satya is listing the "general" Best Practise options (just take a look to SAP Help).

You can generate the DG Master without ! any specification: But you need phrases a lot if you use this option

But nobody (which i know) is using this "5" version. Most companies use version "1"

C.B: