Dynamic Break "Working Time Threshold" is not working

[former_member68134]

Hello All,

Greetings for the day,

We have a requirement in which break deduction should only be counted once employee work for minimum of 5 hours, if employee is working for less than 5 hour He/She should not be eligible for the break.

We have tried achieving the same via configuring the Dynamic Break as per the Implementation guide which suggest : - "Working Time and Accumulated Break in Minutes: Specify how long employees need to work before
they can take a break, and how long that break should be."

WORKING TIME is the threshold value here and for ex. if it`s mentioned as 5 user must not be eligible for the break before 5 hours but during the testing this functionality isn`t working.

We will appreciate if any insight  will be shared for the same or if there is any alternative way to restrict the eligibility of the employee for break before a certain time.

Please feel free to write back on : asharma42@deloitte.com and sussenapati@deloitte.com  .

Thanks in advance.

Regards

Abhishek

[former_member68134]

Currently we are able to generate Dynamic Break as per requirement. But now we are struggling with deducting the Dynamic Break from the Working Time. We are unable to capture Dynamic Group in Time Type Group. If employee works for 8 hrs. and Dynamic Break of 30 mins. gets generated (which we have achieved), the 30 mins. should get deducted from 8 and 7.5 hrs. should be Working Time for that day as Dynamic Break is unpaid. Pls help with that. How to deduct Dynamic Break from Working Time?

[Volker_Ruof]

Hello Abhishek,

seems as if your configuration is wrong then.

Cause what you describe is exactly the behaviour of dynamic breaks. Of course, only configuring the threshold is not sufficient, you need to configure the appropriate time valuation rules.

If you have troubles in setting up time valuation rules, please consider the THR94 Time Management course with it´s certification. Or check my blog https://blogs.sap.com/2018/11/09/ec-time-and-attendance-new-features-q4-2018/ where I have described the functionality and configuration.

Best regards

Volker

[IMZEI]

HI @former_member68134 @Volker_Ruof 

We have similar concern around dynamic breaks -> employee's working pattern is 8:00 - 17:30 with FIXED BREAK between 12:00 - 13:00

On a particular day -> Employee has 08:00 - 13:00 is half day absence and then he/she has worked 13:00 - 23:00 and we do not see any breaks getting generated. 

whereas on non-working day -> if employee reports same attendance type - for more than 6 hours then BREAK is generating. 

Is it like we can use either of the solution only - on WORKING DAYS but these mandatory break are country laws they operate irrespective of working / non working days - if there is continuous working time with no fixed break in between then dynamic should generate additional break ?

Even for case where there is working time exceed planned time - then as well these mandatory breaks are not applied i.e., 8:00 - 16:00 but hours input are 08:00 - 23:30 then as well breaks are not generated considering every six hours ?

Even if there is partial overlap to planned working time and no half day absence then as well - NO BREAKS generated ? if dynamic break config is tagged in Job info -> then shouldnt it validate around working time /continuous attendance or atleast main attendance type ?

[Volker_Ruof]

Hello Izmei,

yes. I mean - this is the normal behaviour of fix breaks. If there are no overlapping attendance times than they are not generated. This is the very nature of fix breaks ! Fix breaks are for fix working times - where employees have an exact shift pattern to follow. You cannot expect that if he works that flexible and nearly completly outside of the planned working time that then the fix break gets applied when there is no working time overlapping !!!

Your employee has 5 hours of paid absence and works 8 hours productive ? This is pretty strange to be honest. 

If you need a different behaviour, if your employees always work that flexible then use the dynamic breaks. 

This behaviour is described in the documentation, so I don´t really understand why there is a different expectation. Please check the documenation on behaviour of dynamic breaks - maybe this is what you rather need.

Best regards

Volker

[Volker_Ruof]

@IMZEI: you can even define a break outside of planned working time segment - so, if this constellation like you describe happens often, then define a break from 21:00 - 22:00. To meet the law requirements you have to decide if you define the workschedules according to law - but then it is rather fix and the employee cannot work completly flexibly - or you define for this case even breaks that do not overlapp with planned time. This is possible. Or if your employees work compeltly flexible so that you cannot build the break regulations into your workschedules, then dynamic breaks are more appropriate. It is even possible to have fix breaks on working days and dynamic break on non-working days. However, this makes your configuration a bit more complex. But it is not possible to have fix breaks and dynamic breaks for the same day. Here you have to choose according to above mentioned points.

Best regards

Volker

[former_member68134]

Actually that's expected behavior. When you have Fixed Break configuration. Break will generated only when the person has worked during the Scheduled Break Time. Or else no generation. Our scenario is different.

[Volker_Ruof]

Hello Abhishek,

seems clearly that you have wrongly configured the break deduction.

Dynamic breaks are used by lots of customers and they are working - but you need to configure it correct.

Best regards

Volker