2012 May 01 9:48 PM
This question is an add-on to How did you get your start in SAP? We've collected a lot of stories about how folks ended up in SAP. Now I'm curious as to whether folks generally paid for their own training or had training supplied by a company. How did you get your training? Please give your answer as a comment or follow this link, Poll: When did you take your first official SAP training class?, to enter your answer in a poll format.
For me, I was hired by SAP America and got sent to thirteen (13!) weeks of bootcamp. What's your story?
Best regards,
--Tom
2012 May 02 9:50 AM
Tom,
I spent around £ 40,000 (Forty Thousand Sterling Pounds !!!!) for SAP Trainings, Certification, Education, Books, Library etc. out of my own pocket. Looks little crazy 🙂
You are so lucky mate.
Getting trainings from companies has become a dream
Please give me a list of generous companies who provide list of training to employees
Regards,
Ravi
2012 May 02 7:38 AM
2012 May 02 9:50 AM
Tom,
I spent around £ 40,000 (Forty Thousand Sterling Pounds !!!!) for SAP Trainings, Certification, Education, Books, Library etc. out of my own pocket. Looks little crazy 🙂
You are so lucky mate.
Getting trainings from companies has become a dream
Please give me a list of generous companies who provide list of training to employees
Regards,
Ravi
2012 May 02 12:12 PM
Hi,
are you a contractor? because otherwise I'd find very risky to invest in such stuff (sap training costs are quite amazing for self-studing people)
2012 May 02 12:17 PM
There is nothing like Risk. It is only the perception of the individual.
Unfortunately, I am not a Contractor yet
2012 May 02 2:27 PM
Hi Ravi,
It has been my observation that most folks are trained by their companies or at least don't invest in training until after they have a job doing SAP work, but that is why I started this poll. My analysis of How did you get your start in SAP? seemed to confirm my earlier observation, but since it wasn't explicitly part of the previous question, I thought I'd ask more directly. Still too early to tell in the poll, but trends are towards get the job first, then train. My goal by asking these questions is to map out the most efficient and cost effective path for anyone interested in a career in SAP: student, recent graduate, or mid career switcher. Hopefully we'll get enough responses to get a good feel for best/most common approaches!
In looking at your profile, it looks like you've been doing SAP work for a while, so when you say you're not a contractor yet, do you mean that you work directly for a customer or that you are a consultant, not a contractor? Also, because I really want to understand, you have invested a lot into your own education, but was this before you got a job doing SAP work or after?
Thanks for participating!
Best regards,
--Tom
2012 May 02 2:53 PM
Hi Tom,
I have spent this amount some of the amount before coming into consulting career, remaining (substantial) amount after coming to SAP consulting career.
Nowadays companies are only preferring for internal type of trainings. No company is sending the consultants for costly SAP training, unless there is a definite opportunity for business. Except few professionally managed companies, most of the companies have limited budget on SAP trainings due to shaken economy. I would much prefer to spend my own money rather than making unsuccessful requests with the company.
I am a permanent employee who works for a consulting company in SAP Arena. I am not a contractor, who usually independent and bills on a daily basis in UK (unlike hourly in US)
Best Regards,
Ravi
2012 May 02 3:12 PM
I wonder if this is a United States vs. UK difference or just a company by company difference. All Tier 1 consulting firms I know of in the US invest annually in their employee's training (not always SAP training, however). Most tier 2 and tier 3 consulting companies do as well. Almost every customer I've worked with in the US had some form of tuition reimbursement plan in place which requires a little more initiative on the individual's part, but in the end does cover a limited amount of training cost yearly.
I'm sure there are exceptions to everything I've stated above in the US, but it's definitely been my experience that companies will pay for training if the employee can justify the business case. I've been involved in more than half a dozen end to end projects and in every case the existing employees that I've been responsible to train have been sent to at least 1 of the official SAP training classes at company expense, often more. I think at one or two of the customers, folks who joined the project after the initial training wave had to rely on direct mentoring more or go through the tuition reimbursement process.
I think my next poll will ask... Does your company offer some kind of yearly training allotment and/or tuition reimbursement? I'll get you that list of companies yet!
Best regards,
--Tom
2012 May 02 3:42 PM
It looks companies in US are much generous
It is definitely company to company. In my experience 90% may be more companies have limited training budgets (sufficient for tea and coffee ). Particularly the companies are more and more conscious in spending the amount on training, unless if there is a clear crystal business case. In most of the cases, the consultants are encouraged to learn on their own. If there are any hyper active consultants (like me LOL) will anyway go on their own money to see taste of the new technology. In your previous mail the word "initiative" give me a laugh.
In my word initiative means morning to evening following up and requesting number of people. Unfortunately, I have very limited patience and time to request for keep on requesting a training. There are number of internal trainings which are SAP and non-SAP, I would call them as useless, either they are 4.0 materials : or generic stuff, which are not at all useful in anyway.
Training to consultants is real income generation for the companies, but one of most neglected area.
I have just asked for company names as a humour question. You may please ignore.
Best Regards,
Ravi
2012 May 02 3:45 PM
Hello , I guess it depends of the company and the country , I been working for HP and when I ask for training , my boss say : " training ? You don't need training learn in the field is the best way" of course I disagree , so Im saving to pay my own training and the go somewhere else 😉
2012 May 02 3:50 PM
2012 May 02 3:59 PM
Hi,
i worked as IT consultant for a non SAP program for 4y and the "learn in the field" approch was the same:-)
2012 May 02 4:11 PM
Yes this a pretty common practice for companies nowadays , specially consulting firms , it really sucks because sometimes I m not sure if I make enough money to support a constant training , for example now we maybe need to learn HANA , I don't how I'm going to pay it :s
2012 May 02 4:21 PM
What about when you first started doing SAP work? Who paid for your SAP training and was it before or after you had an SAP related job? -td
2012 May 02 4:22 PM
What about your SAP training? Did you receive any formal SAP training and was it before or after you had a job doing something SAP related? -td
2012 May 02 4:39 PM
Before SAP, I had some programming experience , I friend told me hey come to my company we are looking for programmers , in my first day I googled for some manuals I remember one manual called "learn how to program in Abap in 60 days" or something like that, and voila ! , it is true most of my colleagues explained me a lot of things and with the help of scn things have ran pretty well I guess .
2012 May 02 4:46 PM
Hi Thomas,
I was IT consultant in quality management; I switched to internal consultant (I work for a manifacturing group) in FI/CO and than SD/CRM (now going for EH&S) :-).
My company was searching someone in my geo area (I'm from a medium italian town) with good IT skills so they accepted
to hire me and to train me. It's been partial train on the job and deep use of SAP official material (books, help, forum, ecc).
Luckly I was very effective on "learn on the job" and so I hadn't particular problems to pick up SAP and show abilities (that's why
I was entrusted to different projects, also with international exposure).
2012 May 03 7:13 PM
My hat is off to you! SAP is wide and deep and your ability to navigate those SAP waters solo is admirable! Please don't forget to also follow the link,
Poll: When did you take your first official SAP training class?, in order to log your experience in the poll so we can get some good statistics! -td
2022 Jun 03 10:38 AM
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2012 May 03 10:35 AM
Hi Thomas,
I had the opportunity to join a company at a stage when the management was deciding to implement SAP (they had already implemented HCM & Payroll) in all the other divisions (PP, MM, SD, PM, QM, CS, PS, FICO). So that's how I took my first baby steps in SAP. And I'm glad I got the opportunity.. There's so much to learn..
2012 May 03 7:17 PM
I'm always happy to hear a story like yours. You were at the right place at the right time, but more importantly you've seized the opportunity and continue to improve yourself and your company! Please don't forget to also log your training approach to the poll at Poll: When did you take your first official SAP training class? so we can get some good statistics! Thank you for contributing! -td
2012 May 03 12:58 PM
2012 May 03 7:20 PM
Kudos to Wipro for finding you and making the investment in you and your mutual success! Please don't forget to follow the link to log your training into the poll so we can get some good statistics!
Poll: When did you take your first official SAP training class?