2009 Nov 11 12:31 PM
I'm very curious about the salaries in different countries. Of course I mean those people's salary, who are working with SAP...
Of course there are many categories (employees, external consultants, etc)... And of course I'm talking about NET values (what will ppl have on their bank account each month)
Here in hungary, an employee could earn from cc. 500 to 1500 EUR each month (maybe more, if he/she's very successful or a leader).
As an "independent" consultant it's more, maybe from 1500 EUR to 5-6000 EUR... Juniors earn less, professionals more...
It could be more, if you are very good, successful and lucky, but I think that value covers the most of the hungarian SAPers...
2009 Nov 11 2:14 PM
In India it depends on lot of parameters
It varies
from Company to Company ,
Number of Years of experience ,
Skill set,
Our Currency is "IN" , and per month
it starts from Rs.10,000(Junior level) to 1lacs - x lacs (Senior/Expert/Architect..etc) . We have lot of Taxes etc. Based on savings the amount which goes to bank account varies
2009 Nov 11 2:32 PM
Here in Switzerland, a lot of things are comparatively very expensive (except Coffee, Spagettis and Rolex´s) so even an average SAP type of household salary ~ CHF 10k/month will be spent quickly on basic SAP consultant type needs like insurances, cars, suites, women, restaurants, etc.
What is great is that the tax rate is about 20% only and differs even from town to town, and the government places a lot of trust in the folks --> we earn our salary Gross from our employer, and pay the tax in arrears the following year. Of course they can get very nasty (most likely even kick you out the country) if you don´t pay, so there is no free lunch here either. Normally they request some form of downpayment in the beginning.
Cheers,
Julius
2009 Nov 11 2:32 PM
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>1lacs - x lacs
1 million = 10 lakh
~Just in case if someone not familiar with these terms.
Cheers
2009 Nov 11 6:22 PM
In Canada, anywhere between 50K and 150K for a full-time job.
that is equivalent to about 45K-140K US$
2009 Nov 12 8:57 AM
In Bulgaria the numbers are probably the same as in Hungary when it comes about SAP. In our country, the average salary for a month is about 300 EUR.
2009 Nov 12 11:38 AM
2009 Nov 12 11:46 AM
That's right, it is about 300 EUR per month. This is the average for the country, for SAP here the numbers here are similar to those in Hungary. We are the poorest country in the EU, run mostly by former communists, with a lot of government corruption, and so on ...
2009 Nov 12 12:21 PM
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> with a lot of government corruption, and so on ...
You are not alone. We in India too stand at a high place in that category
2009 Nov 12 12:58 PM
Gross, in Switzerland, SAP salaries vary from about u20AC5000 to u20AC8000 per month (so median u20AC6500). An independent would be looking at u20AC500-u20AC1000 per day (u20AC10000-u20AC20000 per month), depending on skill set, experience, agency cut. Tax rates vary from town to town as Julius said, and also on how many children you have, religion, marital status, and your assets. Independents must also cover sickness, holiday pay, additional employer tax, insurances.
A coffee will cost you u20AC2 - u20AC4. A half litre of beer (a pint) u20AC5-u20AC7.
Quoted in Euro for comparison purposes. The CHF is about 1.5xu20AC
2009 Nov 12 6:57 PM
> An independent would be looking at u20AC500-u20AC1000 per day (u20AC10000-u20AC20000 per month)
Though you should not multiply this by 365 (or 12)...
Days or weeks can go by where you don't have work (you can call it vacation if you want to, but it is not...) and you still have to pay the bills.
There are also sharks out there who will make any boss feel like working for Dalai Lama afterwards
Just 2 more cents,
Julius
2009 Nov 13 10:13 AM
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> > An independent would be looking at u20AC500-u20AC1000 per day (u20AC10000-u20AC20000 per month)
> Though you should not multiply this by 365 (or 12)...
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> Days or weeks can go by where you don't have work (you can call it vacation if you want to, but it is not...) and you still have to pay the bills.
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> Just 2 more cents,
> Julius
Indeed. I generally plan on 200 billable days a year. But sometimes it's 160.
2009 Nov 13 4:49 PM
"An independent would be looking at u20AC500-u20AC1000 per day (u20AC10000-u20AC20000 per month)"
Actually he multiplied by 20, which could be real, because there are mostly 20 working days within a month.
500*20=10000
1000*20=20000
Awwwwww... 20000... Gulp
2009 Nov 14 9:07 PM
> Awwwwww... 20000... Gulp
Yes, I know. I worked with guys in Barcelona on u20AC24000 a year.
2009 Nov 14 9:42 PM
Were their jobs guaranteed for life?
The thing about taking risks is that your fixed costs will rise and the revenue is not guaranteed.
I did a piece of work for CHF 4000,- per day, but it took 2 weeks to research (at my own cost) and 3 days to implement (billable).
This is particularly true in Switzerland so don't be fooled by daily rates. Additionally, an appartment will set you back CHF 2000,- ... for a house with garden for the kids you are looking at much much more, plus many other discrete costs which other countries throw in for free or less.
The thing about consulting (generally) is that your product lifecycle can be measured in days or even hours... and you need to weigh this against the (opportunity) costs. You also cannot pass the business and assets on to your children generally, like carpenters and farmers typically do.
I think the same applies to offshore contracts as well...
A higher salary or daily rate is not necessarily a better quality of life either!
Cheers,
Julius
2009 Nov 16 9:07 AM
In Singapore , an SAP consultant may earn in range of SGD 4000 to SGD 20000 ( Top level) per month
On an average it is around 6000 to 8000 SGD for a person with experience of 4 to 10 years.
Singapore is one of the lower taxes countries with around 8 to 14% tax for above range of income.
1 USD = 1.4 SGD approx.
Regards
Sanjyot
2009 Nov 16 10:32 AM
hi,
In saudi arabia, SAP consultants will get around 20-35K SAR per month (4-10 years exp). No need to pay any tax in this country.
Regards
Imran
2009 Nov 16 2:12 PM
So, in Euros, we have monthly income per country of:
Hungary 500 1500
Bulgaria 500 1500
India 144 3000
Canada 3000 9000
Switzerland 5000 8000
US 3500 7000
Singapore 2000 9500
Saudi Arabia 3500 6000
2009 Nov 16 2:31 PM
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> On an average it is around 6000 to 8000 SGD for a person with experience of 4 to 10 years.
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But two for the price of one means that you should divide the salary in half as well!!
2009 Nov 17 1:37 PM
2009 Nov 17 1:43 PM
2009 Nov 12 10:22 PM
In the US the subject of salary is considered kind of private and is almost taboo. Also I think right now everyone is happy to have any job at all...
When I looked last time in 2008 the salary range for a full-time ABAPer was anywhere from 60,000$ to 120,000$ (team lead with extensive knowledge) per year. The cost of living, salary and taxes differ from state to state. Functional folks might earn more. Consultants might earn even more, but their income is not stable and does not include benefits (paid vacation, health insurance, etc.). Actually in the US the so called "benefits" are the whole another story.
From what I see, prices in the US for many things are pretty much the same as in EU but they're in USD, not euros.
2009 Nov 13 4:50 AM
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> From what I see, prices in the US for many things are pretty much the same as in EU but they're in USD, not euros.
Would US be happy to barter is Euros?!
2009 Nov 13 8:28 AM
From what I see, prices in the US for many things are pretty much the same as in EU but they're in USD, not euros.
This is a bit tricky, and probably true for things that are not very expensive.
From what I've heard, the prices in US usually are displayed before including local taxes. And the prices in EU are always displayed with VAT included. If one subtracts the VAT from the EU price or adds the local tax to the US price and then converts the currency, it appears that the prices are actually pretty close.
2009 Nov 13 2:39 PM
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> From what I've heard, the prices in US usually are displayed before including local taxes. And the prices in EU are always displayed with VAT included. If one subtracts the VAT from the EU price or adds the local tax to the US price and then converts the currency, it appears that the prices are actually pretty close.
Well, of course some prices might not be that different. Also EU is not just one country - prices in one EU country might be lower than in another. Also, quite honestly, I haven't been to Europe myself for quite sometime and am basing this assertion on what I can gather on"the Internets" and the posts above (coffee and beer).
Yes, the prices in the US usually do not include the sales tax. However, the sales tax ranges from 4 to 8.5% or so (California and New York have the highest tax rates) vs. VAT anywhere north of 10%. Many items are excluded from the sales tax, e.g. food (in stores only), prescription drugs, shoes and clothing in some [lucky] states.
2009 Nov 17 7:36 AM
Hi
This is an interesting thread
I wanted to know in India at what range would a fresher like me start?
What direction should be followed for proper growth?
I have 1 year experience in finance domain and have recently got certified in SAP FI module.
(Bachelor in Commerce and MBA-Finance)
My question is more towards the career path aspect.
Thanks a lot!
Regards
Z
2009 Nov 18 12:59 AM
Hi All,
Average salary of a SAP Professional in Japan by experience/language skill/position ..and note that the salary is fully dependent on the Japanese language skill level for a foreigner.
Japanese National & Foreign nationals with High Japanese skill level** :
Both -Fresher ~ 3 Years u21D2 ¥3,00,000 ~ ¥5,00,000*
For Japanese -Above 3 Years u21D2 ¥5,00,000 ~ ¥10,00,000* (ascend with designation)
For Foreigners -Above 6 Years u21D2 ¥5,00,000 ~ ¥10,00,000* (ascend with designation)
Foriegn nationals with Basic to Business level Japanese skill**:
3 Years & above u21D2 ¥2,00,000~ ¥8,00,000* (ascend with designation)
- Salary calculated per month
- Japanese Skill level is calculated by the JLPT Exam like TOEIC for English.
Level 1- Native level skills
Level 2 & 3 - Business Level
Level 4 - Communication Level
Level 5 - Basic Level
- Insurance made compulsory and deducted in the salary
PS:Tax and other deductions(like Social Insurance,Medical Insurance,pension scheme***) will eat nearly 25% of your salary.
and the rest for livelihood.But i bet this part of the earth has the costliest living, the cost of living is too high and never tend to compare with the Asian countries or other parts of the world.Medical expenses are at whooping heights(¥4.5lakhs) when compared to a meagre amount(¥50,000) in my country.You need an insurance else opt for a natural cure ;-).
~Andrew
Edited by: Andrew J on Nov 18, 2009 10:06 AM
2009 Nov 19 10:18 AM
And here's those figures in Euro, for comparison with earlier posts.
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> Japanese National & Foreign nationals with High Japanese skill level** :
> Both -Fresher ~ 3 Years u21D2 u20AC2'300~ u20AC3'700*
> For Japanese -Above 3 Years u21D2 u20AC3'700 ~ u20AC7'500* (ascend with designation)
> For Foreigners -Above 6 Years u21D2 u20AC3'700 ~ u20AC7'500* (ascend with designation)
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> Foriegn nationals with Basic to Business level Japanese skill**:
> 3 Years & above u21D2 u20AC1'500~ u20AC6'000* (ascend with designation)
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> Medical expenses are at whooping heights(u20AC3'400) when compared to a meagre amount(u20AC370) in my country.You need an insurance else opt for a natural cure ;-).
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> ~Andrew
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> Edited by: Andrew J on Nov 18, 2009 10:06 AM
Is that medical expenses per year, or per month. Mine are about u20AC2'000 a year for just me. u20AC6'000 for my whole family.
2009 Nov 19 11:54 PM
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> Is that medical expenses per year, or per month. Mine are about u20AC2'000 a year for just me. u20AC6'000 for my whole family.
Hi Matt,
Just for a comparison ,Medical expense(u20AC3'400+) which i spent for my child delivery in Japan and if i had done it in my country then it must have been just (u20AC370). Guess it is costlier than other parts of the world.
PS:Saw your Theatrical performance..enjoyed a lot like the crowd
~Andrew
2014 Jul 13 6:33 AM
2015 Jan 28 7:34 AM
Just wanted to share my input to the thread about the salary range in Germany. In Germany a normal employee can earn 3000 - 5500 Euro Netto (After tax deduction) as SAP Consultant. But the same for a Person who is working as Independent worker can earn about 7-9000 Euros Netto per month.
Just for the Explanation to those who may not be able to understand the term "Independent worker", it means you work on your own; that is you go from customer to customer and it's more like your own Business. You may have a work today and no work tomorrow if your customer does nto require you anymore. This is what I have understood about Independent worker (Selbständige Mitarbeiter).
If someone can better explain the term, it would be nice.
Cheers
Arijit