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Subcontracting without 57f4 challan

Former Member — Wed, 07 May 2014 05:45:47 GMT

Dear Guru's

I have scenario , Industry is textile industry... as product is non Excisable and going for subcontracting my doubt is.

1. as we are transferring material by mvt type 541 to vendor ,Is there need to send material by 57f4 challan by using t code J1IF01 , because transactions are increasing in this case.

2. if i am not using t -code J1if01 ,and sending material by taking 541 document print out , how to generate reconciliation report against 541 material documents.

Thanks & Regards.

Akshay

Re: Subcontracting without 57f4 challan

Prasoon — Wed, 07 May 2014 06:10:02 GMT

Hi,

If all the materials are non-excisable, why you need the 57F4 challan and what you want to reconcile. I think normal out pass (DC) / GI slip will be enough in your case.

Regards,

AKPT

Re: Subcontracting without 57f4 challan

former_member183424 — Wed, 07 May 2014 06:15:16 GMT


Akshay kukde wrote:

  as product is non Excisable and going for subcontracting

J1IF01 is for excise materials only.

Here, you have to enter the excise group (as this field is required field).

Rather than I agree with AKPT sir. What you want to reconcile ?

Regards

Dev

Re: Subcontracting without 57f4 challan

Former Member — Wed, 07 May 2014 06:18:08 GMT

Hi,

If all the material is non excisable,then just craete print for the 541 movement

type with reference to the vendor,Pl. check whether the after GRN material code is change?,

if not ,then why not using only service PO?

use 541 movement for the material movement only,

you could check stock details into MBLB for reconcillation of the material qty.

Best Regards,

Devendra

Re: Subcontracting without 57f4 challan

Former Member — Wed, 07 May 2014 06:33:30 GMT

Hello sir ,

for example if i am sending same raw material against 5 subcontracting PO using 5 different out pass ( i.e. 541 material document ), and materials are received against 2 subcontracting PO, now i want to check how much raw materials are remain with vendor against each PO , it can be check using combination of challan report j1ifr (if we add PO no. in this report ) and MBLB..

if i am not creating challan , i can not check using normal out pass (DC) / GI Slip that how much quantity is remain with vendor against particular PO

Thanks & Regards.

Akshay

Re: Subcontracting without 57f4 challan

Prasoon — Wed, 07 May 2014 06:42:00 GMT

Hi,

The challan is required for exciable goods only. You cant use the scenario for non-excisable goods.

The stock at subcontractor can be checked using MBLB transaction, but here you cant check the stock against PO. If the material is batch managed, the stock can be tracked at batch level.

If you issue the goods against PO in MB1B, then you can track the stock against PO in ME2O transaction, where it will show available stock at subcontractor against PO.

Regards,

AKPT

Re: Subcontracting without 57f4 challan

Former Member — Wed, 07 May 2014 07:33:52 GMT

Hi Akshay,

Since the material is non exicesable , 57F4 challan is not required and hence the reconciliation against the 57f4 report will not be generated. You have to generate a seperate customised report for such materials.

Thanks & Regards,

Sandeep

Re: Subcontracting without 57f4 challan

former_member183424 — Wed, 07 May 2014 07:39:59 GMT

Use PO number field at the time of 541 movement type.

Suppose you are sending raw material for 5 different PO number to subcontractor.

Then enter these PO document number individually (5 times) at the time of transferring raw material to vendor with movement type 541.

Then you can check the the PO number with the movement type in MB51.

Regards

Dev

Re: Subcontracting without 57f4 challan

Former Member — Wed, 07 May 2014 08:42:42 GMT

Ok Sir.... as i understood we can not track against particular out pass (DC) / GI Slip we can not track receipt and consumption record , but if i want to track reconciliation should i use SAP challan functionality J1IF01 for non excisable goods.

Next is some of the materials is going for subcontracting are special stock material (sale order stock) , as i read i need to create storage location for each subcontracting vendor and need to move stock by 311 E movement type , is there any other way to handle this scenario. (MBLB -no use in this case)

Kindly suggest.....

Thanks & Regards.

Akshay

Re: Subcontracting without 57f4 challan

Former Member — Wed, 07 May 2014 09:50:48 GMT

Next is some of the materials going for subcontracting are special stock material (sale order stock) , as i read i need to create storage locations for each subcontracting vendor and need to move stock by 311 E movement type , is there any other way to handle this scenario. (MBLB -no use in this case)

Kindly suggest.....

Thanks & Regards.

Akshay

Re: Subcontracting without 57f4 challan

former_member183424 — Wed, 07 May 2014 09:58:19 GMT


Akshay kukde wrote:

if i want to track reconciliation should i use SAP challan functionality J1IF01 for non excisable goods.

You can't use J1IF01 without entering excise details. When you will go J1IF01, you can find the field "Excise Group" as required

So, you can't use this for non-excise materials.

Regards

Dev

Re: Subcontracting without 57f4 challan

Prasoon — Wed, 07 May 2014 10:01:14 GMT

Hi,

The 57F4 challan is applicable for excisable goods only as per legal rule in India. May I know what you want to reconcile in case of non-excisable goods. If you issue the goods against PO number in MB1B (541 movement), then only you can track the stock based on PO in ME2O.

For sales order stock in subcontracting, refer the help doc: Subcontracting for Sales Order Stock and Project Stock - Managing Special Stocks (MM-IM) - SAP Library

Regards,

AKPT

Re: Subcontracting without 57f4 challan

former_member183424 — Wed, 07 May 2014 10:03:59 GMT

Check the discussion to handle the subcontracting process with special stock

Regards

Dev

Re: Subcontracting without 57f4 challan

Former Member — Wed, 07 May 2014 10:22:31 GMT

Create a document with the help of Tcode J1Is, use a specific series group(specially created for this process). and print output need to be developed as per your requirement.

Regards

Maruthi S

Re: Subcontracting without 57f4 challan

Former Member — Thu, 08 May 2014 07:55:36 GMT

Hi Akshay,

The points are very straight. You have already told that material is not excisable in nature. So Creation of 57F4 does not comes into point.

In sub con challan is a legal document and is applicable only for excise scenarios.
Reconcillation is like verifying/confirming what was send in your 57F4 challan. So in your case when you are not sending anything through 57F4 then where will you reconcile it ?

I hope now you got the point of sub con challan and reconciliation.

Now as a standard process wise you can do MB1B and give 541 (to sub con) wrt PO. So if you do this you will get a linkage of the PO and 541 in some tables(i do not remember it). Now what you can do is you can make a abap report for it and get your work done accordingly. I will create a scenario and will confirm you the tables.

Re: Subcontracting without 57f4 challan

Former Member — Fri, 09 May 2014 08:37:24 GMT

Thanks to all for your valuable reply....

i understood no reconciliation required for non excisable goods..... we can map through transfer posting only.....

Regards ,

Akshay