topic Re: A Moderation Proposal in Application Development and Automation Discussions

A Moderation Proposal

Former Member — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 16:26:39 GMT

Youu2019re all probably aware of the fact that many questions in have been asked and answered repeatedly. I'm thinking of adding a section to that says something like:

Please do not ask questions like:
Which is better SELECT/ENDSELECT or SELECT INTO TABLE?
Which is better MOVE-CORRESPONDING or MOVE individual fields?
Tell me about performance tuning?
Which is better MOVE or = ?
Which is better SELECT SINGLE or SELECT UP TO 1 ROWS?
These questions have been asked and answered many times before. Please search the forum. Questions like this will be locked or deleted as soon as they are noticed.

So my question to you is u2013 Do you think this would be helpful or not? If so, are there other questions that you would like to see included or should some of these be excluded. Or is this over-moderation?

Thanks for your ideas.

Rob

Re: A Moderation Proposal

amit_khare — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 16:33:32 GMT

Hi Rob,

It will be a good addition only if the people who are asking these kind of questions are using there common sense and reading the RULES and using SEARCH before posting any query.

Nothing can stop a person from posting this repeated query if he is under the impression that he/she is is the first one ever to came across with that query and now seeking an answer to something unique.

If those people are not bothered as of now about using there common sense...then I am hoping lot more will come with the same mode of thinking..

Regards,

Amit

Re: A Moderation Proposal

Former Member — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 16:35:31 GMT

I'll take that as an "ok".

Rob

Re: A Moderation Proposal

amit_khare — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 16:49:54 GMT

Yes. Any suggestion which can help in improving the SCN is more than welcome

Re: A Moderation Proposal

former_member156446 — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 17:12:04 GMT

In ABAP general we have but how many times we answered question related to linefeed, Outlook emails etc..;

There is no harm in doing that, as we already had similar things in ABAP general.. and assume it will repeat in performance tuning as well.

I am sure this would be for some time, with the upgrade of the forum ( I am not sure when ) there is a help threads that will drop down as soon as user types in to post a new thread. That will solve the problem completely.

Re: A Moderation Proposal

Former Member — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 17:34:45 GMT

Yes - the same sort of post exists for performance and tuning, I think we need to explicity say that some posts are not appropriate and will be removed.

The FAQ is intended to help people asking questions. This is intended more to help responders and searchers (if there are any) by keeping the forum cleaner.

Rob

Re: A Moderation Proposal

naimesh_patel — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 18:31:55 GMT

Good idea to restrict the posters who don't search before asking.

Addition to the "Not Allowed" question you can give a link to SAP Help or some of the interesting discussion for those questions.

Regards,

Naimesh Patel

Re: A Moderation Proposal

Former Member — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 18:37:38 GMT


> Addition to the "Not Allowed" question you can give a link to SAP Help or some of the interesting discussion for those questions.

Well, I'm not sure if these would appear anywhere in the help files, and I'm not sure if any of these questions had "interesting discussions". There are plenty of dicusssions, but not many interesting ones - many of them are arguments that black is white and rebuttals.

Rob

Re: A Moderation Proposal

ThomasZloch — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 21:58:42 GMT

Hi Rob,

not over-moderation in my book, it would help to reduce the redundance, which is very welcome. There is just too many ignorant folks that seem to unload their questions without any preparation or research effort, some can't even properly phrase a descriptive and polite question. Lock'em up

Also include the Join vs. FAE questions, I think this has been investigated from every angle by now.

Thomas

Re: A Moderation Proposal

Former Member — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 22:04:19 GMT

Thanks Thomas - but I think i would substitute "lazy" for "ignorant".

Yes - adding the FAE question would be agood idea (but notice that there haven't been (m)any questions on the subject since the other sticky went up

Rob

Re: A Moderation Proposal

Former Member — Fri, 24 Apr 2009 13:33:09 GMT

Any more thoughts on this? Particularly from those opposed?

Rob

Re: A Moderation Proposal

Former Member — Fri, 24 Apr 2009 14:16:26 GMT

Rob ,

The below questions can be included :

1. Using of For all entries VS joins.

2. Usage of Sort and Delete adjacent duplicates before for all entries .

3.Performance on these table BSIK/BSAK BISD/BSAD BSIS/BSAS - we have nice blogs for this and this has been answered many times.

If the Poster posts a question which has been asked and answered many times .Other members answer it rite away to get quick points and the question is closed . To stop this why dont the moderator give 2 or 4 points who notify this question to them first . And just in case if the questions is answered and closed , the points awarded should be reverted .

Posting an already posted question for the first time a penalty of 2 points and the poster should not be allowed to post for next half an hour and the penalty should be severe as the time increases.

Thanks,

Karthik

Re: A Moderation Proposal

Former Member — Fri, 24 Apr 2009 14:20:52 GMT

Good ideas - but there's not much that a moderator can do on the last point. You could try suggesting that in the suggestions forum.

Rob

Re: A Moderation Proposal

Former Member — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 13:14:01 GMT

Last chance...

Rob

Re: A Moderation Proposal

Sm1tje — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 13:28:43 GMT

Seeing all the same / similar posts on the ABAP general forum which have been answered over and over again, makes me wonder if people ever read this. So, even though it's worth a try, I don't think it will help that much. Is there no way that people should be 'forced' to read it like when installing new software you are always asked for license agreement. I know what you are thinking now...nobody ever reads this part. But it is only a suggestion and I was looking for an improved version of this license agreement.

So not reading this at all, you are not allowed to post to the forum.

In the end, probably the only thing that will work is blocking the user.

Maybe it will be better to ask people nicely NOT to respond to these questions at all how tempting this may be in our 'search' for some additional forum points.

Kind regards,

Micky.

Re: A Moderation Proposal

Former Member — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 13:43:16 GMT

Thanks Micky - my intention is to lock posts that do not follow these rules without marking them as solved. If a person has more than ten unresolved questions, he or she is blocked from posting. So posters of these questions may find themselves effectively blocked.

Rob

Re: A Moderation Proposal

Sm1tje — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 13:50:01 GMT

Ok, that's a way to go. But there are many others out there, who just forget (not on purpose) to give points and close (mark as answered) a thread. They will be locked as well, and don't have a clue as to why they were locked.

But I do understand the 'dilemma', something has to be done...no question about it.

Good luck with that.

Micky.

Re: A Moderation Proposal

Former Member — Wed, 13 May 2009 13:24:10 GMT

You can force people to do a search first, it's just a question of computing power. Concievably, it's not that hard to do.

If a person wants to post to a forum, the SAP SDN 'server machine' should be able to keep track, every day, to see if they have done any searches in that specific forum. Unless there are at least, say- 2- searches in a particular forum, the person cannot start a new thread, or possibly even post, to it.

God Bless,

Regards,

Dan P.

Re: A Moderation Proposal

Former Member — Thu, 14 May 2009 08:59:02 GMT

Too complicated to filter out or put many rules before posting. Folks here need to be more responsible in contributing and asking questions. It needs to be moderated. Most questions here are repeated. But then if everything is filtered out, there wont be much activity in this forum. But I have no objection if the threads are locked by the moderator if the questions are repeated. Especially the ones mentioned above. It shows lack of motivation and effort on the part of the person posting the question.

Regards,

Abdullah

Re: A Moderation Proposal

ThomasZloch — Thu, 14 May 2009 12:26:14 GMT

> Most questions here are repeated. But then if everything is filtered out, there wont be much activity in this forum.

That was my thought as well. It would be very negative for the overall forum quality if experts like Siegfried, YukonKid or Hermann would lose interest. It is quite rare that a completely new problem surfaces, even one with at least partially new aspects.

After some time in operation now I have to adjust my first reply from above slightly. However there is still a lot of stuff that can be locked immediately or even after some replies.

I admit that the right balance is difficult to maintain, and I don't envy our moderators

Thomas