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client dependant

Former Member — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 15:43:32 GMT

hi gurus....

Are programs client dependant??

Re: client dependant

Former Member — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 15:45:19 GMT

No programs are not client dependent...

Re: client dependant

Former Member — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 15:45:47 GMT

The program created by you (Zprogram) is client dependent.You need to transport it .

Ashok

Re: client dependant

ThomasZloch — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 15:53:35 GMT

No guru needed to answer this. Did you try a search to answer this most basic question yourself?

On the other hand, even this question got two conflicting answers...my bet is on Joyjit.

Re: client dependant

Former Member — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 15:58:26 GMT

sorry ..all the programs are client dependant...all zprograms are used to transported by tcode SCC1 from one client to another

Re: client dependant

Former Member — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 16:01:46 GMT

hi thomas....

do u mean , customer programs (y or z) are client dependant??

Re: client dependant

ThomasZloch — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 16:12:39 GMT

All development objects (e.g. programs) are client independent. Some people here seem to mix up client and system.

Whether SAP standard or customer program does not make a difference.

Thomas

Re: client dependant

Former Member — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 16:27:10 GMT

hey thomas....

do u mean that customer created function module , smartforms are also client dependent ???

I am very much confused on this plz explain....

Edited by: Diana Sydnie on Aug 6, 2008 6:27 PM

Re: client dependant

ThomasZloch — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 16:35:11 GMT

are you pulling my leg now?

all this stuff is client independent!

Have to go home now, cheers

Thomas

Re: client dependant

Former Member — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 17:33:43 GMT

Dianne,

I have lost count of how many of these types of questions from you I have locked and deleted already... surely (in addition to searching) you can just try it for yourself and come to a conclusion (or tell us what you can and cannot find for yourself).

For example: Logon to client '123' and create a Z-program (call it ZDIANNETEST incase you are not sure).

Put some code into it - for example selecting some data from a client independent table and from a client dependent table and write it as output.

Now logon to client '456' and look for the report ZDIANNETEST.

Is it there? If not, then Thomas must have taken it home with him or something like that...

Note that if you run it and it does not return data from the client dependent table, then that is because there is no data in that client for the program to select when run in it!

It cannot be excluded that a program when run in a certain client will stop or exit raising a message stating "This program cannot be run in client '456'. Please use client '123'"... If so, then take a look at how the program is checking the value of system field sy-mandt.

The client dependency possibilities are almost endless in the client INDEPENDENT program.

Now, please read [the rules|https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/sdn/wiki?path=/display/home/rulesofEngagement] and make an attempt to improve the quality of your questions by searching and testing for yourself first.

Please confirm that you have read the (forum independent) rules and understood them?

Cheers,

Julius

Re: client dependant

matt — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 07:39:59 GMT


> The program created by you (Zprogram) is client dependent.You need to transport it .
> 
> 
> 
> Ashok

WRONG

Re: client dependant

matt — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 07:40:19 GMT


> sorry ..all the programs are client dependant...all zprograms  are used to transported by tcode SCC1 from one client to another

WRONG

Re: client dependant

Former Member — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:18:34 GMT


> 
> Please confirm that you have read the (forum independent) rules and understood them?
>

rofl. rofl. rofl. you have become one hell of a moderator, julius. my congratulations. i always knew you could ...

as for the original question: dianne, i agree with julius and matt both:

as a general hint: most repository objects (ddic-elements, function moduls, programs, bapi's ...) are client-independent - think about it: if it were otherwise, you would have to copy all of those elements for every new client you create - how much sense does this thought make??

Re: client dependant

Former Member — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:23:13 GMT

confused:(

Re: client dependant

ThomasZloch — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:27:17 GMT

Always look at the BrightSide of life!

Re: client dependant

Former Member — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:44:45 GMT

Hi all,

I think there are two things involved in this discussion (1) clients on the same environment (app server) and (2) clients on different environment with different system ID... It depends on what we are talking about a client ...

case 1 -

the same environment (app server) with different clients (eg COD 100, 110 ...) Programs are not client specific, they are cross client and every clients can access the programs.

case 2 -

environments with different system id (like DV, QA ....) Transport are required to bring the programs from one system to another system ... thus it is "client dependent" ....

Re: client dependant

Former Member — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:56:01 GMT

OK - but I am a bit confused and I think I understand where the confusion is coming from.

1) Programs are client independent. You can see that simply by going to TRDIR. The client is not part of the key.

B) But as I understand it, some landscapes are set up so that DEV, QA and PROD are simply separate clients on the same server and programs are promoted by transporting them.

Now, I have no experience in the second situation and may be entirely off base, but I'd appreciate it, if that is correct, then how transports are handled.

Rob

OK - let me guess an answer to my own question - version management??

Edited by: Rob Burbank on Aug 7, 2008 12:13 PM

Re: client dependant

Former Member — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 16:19:21 GMT

Hi,

I'm in danger of generating more confusion, but I think the basis of the confusion is this.

Client is being used here to describe two things, clients that are on the same instance and clients that are on different instances.

So, if I'm talking about client 100 on instance DV1 and client 200 on instance DV1 my program is client independent. If I talk about client 100 on instance DV1 and client 300 on instance QA1 then my program is client dependent, as the versions in the two clients can be different and require a transport between the two.

But essentially what is being described is that programs are instance depenent, not client dependent.

Regards,

Nick

Re: client dependant

Former Member — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 21:41:20 GMT

I don't mean to increase the confusion either, but QuickViews and Queries are ABAP programs as well... and QuickViews are user-dependent and Queries are user-group-dependent - both of which are therefore dependent on and restricted to the logical system of "client-dependency".

I think we can quite safely say that the answer is either:

- It depends

- Both of the above.

@ Diane: Are either of those two options available on the questionaire?

Re: client dependant

Former Member — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 21:43:26 GMT

Thank you Mylene. What a delightful treat to see you here again.

That makes my day

Julius